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An article I came across today: Blood Vote - The Consequences of Voting for George W. Bush....IMHO probably the best Anti-Bush screed I've ever come across...definitely has some great quotes...I might consider stealing one or two for my signature space...
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Heavily biased and written with emotion instead of logic. The author is obviously overly-liberal and makes no effort to write from a neutral perspective.
This is fine, except he is trying to pass this off as some sort of factual piece, by portraying his opinion as fact and the final line in what is to happen if Bush Jr is elected again.
In no place has he taken the time to express his opinions as... well, opinions. In effect he comes off as an closed-minded stubborn savant basing his opinion on liberal media and democratic fallacies.
PS - I hate bush too.
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Yeah, it's too emotional...but it does remind us that voting for Mr. Bush for a second term does have consequences. In my opinion, Mr. Bush has done things to this country that never should have been done...some of which will take years to fix.
So, yeah, the Boy King needs to go home and let the adults take over.
By the way, this is a good piece from Slate. Less emotional to be sure. It is one of the best analyses that I have seen of how Mr. Bush thinks and how he puts those thoughts into action regardless of changing reality.
And, since I've been remiss in my duties, namely welcoming a liberal-in-arms to the boards, welcome Hoss.
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It's too bad Rob seems to be missing in action or else we might have some good tag-team political debates.
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Wes, as far as I am concerned, the so called "liberal media" is largely a fiction, since most mass media outlets like TV, radio and newspapers are controlled by huge corporate conglomerates who mostly fund the republican party.
Jay, thanks for the support; I certainly appreciate it.
As for the article being "emotional"? Well it certainly is, but it is not suprising; one thing that you won't hear about in the mainstream media is the enormous backlash Bush's policies are generating here in the US; women for example are mobilizing on an unprecedented scale while many college age citizens are organizing voting drives.
Bush's biggest problem is his lack of awareness of the larger world around him; as this article noted, he tends to live in his own personal "bubble" which results in an appalling lack of awareness or interest of the world around him. This makes him easily influenced by the neo-conseratives in his inner court.
BTW to me, the label "neo-conserative" strikes me as totally inaccurate in describing the people who are shaping Bush's policies; the more appropriate term IMHO would be "neo-imperialists", since they believe in the dictum of "might makes (their twisted version of) right".
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On a related side note, Spain is pulling out of Iraq. I may not like Bush's plans for Iraq, but I see Spain's withdrawal as a dangerous precedent.
Both Canada and the US had better check their security before they go to the polls.
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The thing is most people in Spain were seriously opposed to the war before the government sent troops over to Iraq. When the bombings occured in Madrid, the government kept trying to blame the Bosque sepratists even after evidence of Al-Qaeda's complicity was shown....this was why the socialists won the election. As for pulling out, keep in mind they are simply reflecting the attitude of its citizens. As for setting a precedent, Saltah'na, Bush did that by staging an invasion based on deceptions and lies, which are unraveling as we speak. The Spanish are simply saying they will not be a part of this farce anymore.
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"keep in mind they are simply reflecting the attitude of its citizens"
Much like the '00 US elections and the freaking Electoral College bullshiiit....
Mother America keeps me safe with lies and misconceptions.....
So, the Spanish Gov't isn't, wasn't, any different than the US one.....
If a new pres is elected how much would that change the current situation??? Throwing a new pres(read Kerry) in to the White House and forcing him to deal with Iraq is just causing him to be screwed. He's going to be damned anyway you look at it, if he pulls out before a decent puppet is in place he A, turned tail and ran, and B, left a power vacuum, if he stays then he pisses off people here and abroad....
Not that Bush the 2nd should stay, but Kerry's kind of in a tough spot on that issue....
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"...if he stays then he pisses off people here and abroad...."
Not if he does it right. I think even most people who oppose the war realize that, at this point, it would be worse for Iraq to abandon them early than it would be for us to stay, in a limited capacity.
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"Much like the '00 US elections..."
I daresay those reflected anything but the attitude of its citizens.
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quote:Originally posted by Highway Hoss: Wes, as far as I am concerned, the so called "liberal media" is largely a fiction, since most mass media outlets like TV, radio and newspapers are controlled by huge corporate conglomerates who mostly fund the republican party.
I agree. Large and successful corporations ARE conservative-minded, as they are focused on logic and forward-thinking instead of emotion and the 'human element'.
My term 'liberal media' was meant to encompass liberal fundamentalists like most of the political commentators on radio rather then the media giants on television.
I was trying to indicate that he seems to of developed his opinion based only on one side of the arguement.
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Conservatives are forward-thinking? Since when?
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1789 Seriously though, it really depends on what type of conservative you're talking about and how you define forward looking. US conservative belong almost exclusively to the New Right, an amalgamation of neo-conservative (strong on law and order, large military budgets, etc) and neo-liberal (minimum state intervention in the economy and people's lives). If you belive the state should be small but strong and that the current system is bloated bureaucracy then I suppose you could describe New Right conservatism as being forward looking.
quote: The thing is most people in Spain were seriously opposed to the war before the government sent troops over to Iraq.
About 90% opposed, IIRC.
quote: On a related side note, Spain is pulling out of Iraq. I may not like Bush's plans for Iraq, but I see Spain's withdrawal as a dangerous precedent.
On the other hand there aren't many of them, only about 1,500 I think. Just as worrying IMHO is the departure of the Russian specialists who were supposed to be repairing the electricity grid. They're the only ones who can, on account of having installed it.
quote: Both Canada and the US had better check their security before they go to the polls.
Possibly here in the UK as well; there are rumours of an October General Election and I don't think Blair can afford to put off the referendum on the EU constitution for too long now he's done a u-turn on it.
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