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Jay the Obscure
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quote:
Originally posted by Lee:
What I want to know is, do these people really believe what they're saying? That anyone, even their own countrymen, who disagree with their own political views, are automatically the enemy? Or are they all fully aware that this is just a great methoid to use to cynically gain the upper hand in political debate?

If one spends any time in the blogs of the far-right side of the net, I think the answer to that question is yes.

I think some people strongly believe the sentiment expressed by the fellow I quoted and not just out of cynicism.

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Sol System
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It's more than simply not thinking about it, I think.
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TSN
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Regarding Bush's religion, I suspect he's doublethinking himself silly on that point. I expect he fully believes that Jesus was infallible in his teachings which are portrayed 100% accurately in the gospels, while simultaneously believing that all the extra-super-hyper-non-Christian things he's doing are exactly WJWD.

Additionally : "egg time"?

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Lee
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*Vorlon Speak* NEVER ask that question!

(but it's probably just before the Hour of Scampering)

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Nim
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Egg time is, well, eight sharp.
Something I haven't felt since...*scampers off*

Oh but to hell with all that, what matters is that I finished and turned in the assignment, and nothing matters more. Except domestic surveillance.
We don't have that problem right now, although there was a lot of hubbub around that when our prime minister was assassinated, in 1987.
The assigned task force wiretapped and bugged the shit out of Sweden's organized crime, which they caught a lot of flak for.

Nowadays I think we're reinstating the authorization for policemen to wiretap, but only against suspected criminals, I think. We don't do the populace. But give the conservatives a few years and we'll see. And that's just what my country seems to be about to do this year.
I think almost all of western europe will be right-wing this year, except for France, Denmark, Belgium, Spain and the UK.
What a strange zeitgeist for the early 21st century. I wanted meals in pillform.

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Lee
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Meals in pill form? I suppose there would have to be some rationale for the development of those Swedish meatballs they sell in Ikea. . .

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Wiretapping, European-Style
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Jay the Obscure
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The New York Times won a Pulitzer Prize for its reporting on the domestic surveillance story.

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For a distinguished example of reporting on national affairs, in print or in print and online, Ten thousand dollars ($10,000).

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Awarded to James Risen and Eric Lichtblau of The New York Times for their carefully sourced stories on secret domestic eavesdropping that stirred a national debate on the boundary line between fighting terrorism and protecting civil liberty.

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The right-wing blogosphere quickly went on line to add their opinion about the Times and its reporters.

From the Power Line we have this post:

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April 17, 2006

The Pulitzer Prize for Treason

Last year we noted that the AP had won "The Pulizer Prize for felony murder" for its spot photographic coverage in Iraq. We followed up in a series of posts featuring the analysis of former New York Times photographer D. Gorton (here and here). Mr. Gorton recapitulated his analysis in a devastating column for the Standard. Below is the photo in issue. (I wonder if Bilal Hussein was the AP stringer who has enjoyed such a fruitful collaboration with terrorists.)

Following in the footsteps of the AP last year, New York Times reporters James Risen and Eric Lichtblau won the Pulitzer Prize today for their treasonous contribution to the undermining of the highly classified National Security Agency surveillance program of al Qaeda-related terrorists. As I argued in a column for the Standard, the Risen/Lichtblau reportage clearly violated relevant provisions of the Espionage Act -- a particularly serious crime insofar as it lends assistance to the enemy in a time of war.

Juxtapose the Times's award-winning reportage with the Times's highminded editorial condemnation of President Bush for allegedly failing to follow proper procedure in declassifying the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate key judgments. Today the Times instructs us: "Even a president cannot wave a wand and announce that an intelligence report is declassified."

Waving a wand is apparently a prerogative reserved to Times executive editor Bill Keller, who made the decision to "declassify" the NSA surveillance program in the pages of the Times. According to Keller, the publication of the NSA story did "not expose any technical intelligence-gathering methods or capabilities that are not already on the public record." Thus Keller waved his wand, and the Times blew the NSA program. Smarter folks than I will have to reconcile the trains of thought at work among the editors of the New York Times.

What about the Pulitzer Prize committee? When Walter Duranty won a Pulitzer Prize for the Times in connection with his mendacious coverage of Stalin's Soviet Union, he performed valuable public relations work for a mass murderer. He nevertheless did no direct harm to the United States. Today's Pulitzer Prize award to the Times brings a new shame to the Pulitzer Prize committee that builds on its disgrace last year via the award to the AP.

Posted by Scott at 08:32 PM

Glenn Greenwald, of Unclaimed Territory, who pointed me to the story, has more .

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Yesterday, James Risen and Eric Lichtblau received well-deserved Pulitzer Prizes for "national reporting" based on their (year-long-delayed) disclosure of the President's illegal NSA eavesdropping program. That award has set off a new slew of bitter commentary from Bush supporters, including Bennett, proclaiming that Risen and Lichtblau belong in prison. On his radio show this morning, the great free press crusader [Bill] Bennett said: "I think what they did is worthy of jail."

Powerline, as always, helpfully expounds on this definitively American principle of throwing reporters in jail who publish stories which damage the political interests of the Commander-in-Chief during a Time of War. In an item entitled "Pulitzer Prize for Treason," Scott "Big Trunk" Johnson says that Risen and Lichtblau won the Pulitzer "for their treasonous contribution to the undermining of the highly classified National Security Agency surveillance program of al Qaeda-related terrorists," which -- according to Johnson, "is a particularly serious crime insofar as it lends assistance to the enemy" -- all together, now -- "in a time of war."



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Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war.
~ohn Adams

Once again the Bush Administration is worse than I had imagined, even though I thought I had already taken account of the fact that the Bush administration is invariably worse than I can imagine.
~Brad DeLong

You're just babbling incoherently.
~C. Montgomery Burns

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Jason Abbadon
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Treason is betraying the trust of the people that elected you to office.

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Jay the Obscure
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Why do you hate America?

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Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war.
~ohn Adams

Once again the Bush Administration is worse than I had imagined, even though I thought I had already taken account of the fact that the Bush administration is invariably worse than I can imagine.
~Brad DeLong

You're just babbling incoherently.
~C. Montgomery Burns

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PsyLiam
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Because you don't realise that 90% of the world hates you.

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Yes, you're despicable, and... and picable... and... and you're definitely, definitely despicable. How a person can get so despicable in one lifetime is beyond me. It isn't as though I haven't met a lot of people. Goodness knows it isn't that. It isn't just that... it isn't... it's... it's despicable.

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Jay the Obscure
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Me?

90% of the world hates me personally? I had no idea.

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Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war.
~ohn Adams

Once again the Bush Administration is worse than I had imagined, even though I thought I had already taken account of the fact that the Bush administration is invariably worse than I can imagine.
~Brad DeLong

You're just babbling incoherently.
~C. Montgomery Burns

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Grokca
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Don't worry, as long as you love yourself and can afford hookers, you will be fine.

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Well, if you're going to love yourself, what do you need the hookers for?
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Jason Abbadon
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quote:
Originally posted by Jay the Obscure:
Why do you hate America?

To quote The Tick:
quote:
Spelling "America with" a "K" are we?


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