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Shik
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The Dutch government, facing re-election next week, said Friday it plans to draw up legislation "as soon as possible" banning the head-to-toe garment known as burqas and other clothing that covers the entire face in public places.

The announcement puts the Netherlands, once considered one of Europe's most welcoming nations for immigrants and asylum seekers, at the forefront of a general European hardening of attitudes toward Muslim minorities.


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Fabrux
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Good in a sense that the poor women don't have to be covered up in a head-to-toe black garment in the blazing heat of summer. Bad in just about every other sense, though.
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Shik
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Burqas are remarkably lightweight, as one would imagine for a raiment developed in the desert.

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Ritten
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It seems to spoil any kind of ancestral association one may want to make, as well as possible stomping on religious points of view for some.

Well, as long as they aren't Nazi's banning flag flying or some such silly thing.

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Peregrinus
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Has anyone on here actually read the Qu'ran? The reason for the burqa is in what Christians know as Genesis, but in th eunabridged version in the Qu'ran, the rest of the Flood story is told. The whole bit leading up to the Flood is barely touched on in the Hebrew and Englishh versions. The burqa is to ensure the angels are never again tempted by the Daughters of Adam. It is as real a belief to devout Muslims as the transubstantiation of the Host is for devout Catholics. And to deny Muslims this expression of their religious belief is simple, unvarnished oppression.

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Da_bang80
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Those crazy Dutch...

Do they really think that supressing Islam will accomplish anything? We all know that this is just more reason for the extremists to hate us. Why are people so blind?

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Harry
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Incidently, Rita Verdonk is the actual reason we are having elections now, since her handling of the Ayaan-affair.

The current asylum policies in the Netherlands are really bad at the moment. Deporting people even when they have lived here for years, putting young mothers and children in prison, the Schiphol fire, and just the general idea of treating the unfortunate people seeking refuge in our country as criminals is just.. horrible.

The general tendency of the next election seems to be a cautious step back towards the left. I'll be voting for the Socialist Party next week, and I'm really hoping that the Labour Party and the Greens will join them in a left-wing cabinet. A fourth Balkenende cabinet in 4 years would be unbelievable..

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Shik
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"Irregular migrants?" That sounds like something out of Banzai.

A friend of mine is currently working as an au pair in Marknesse. I bet she's all sorts of raging about this, as she was looking to emigrate.

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Jason Abbadon
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quote:
Originally posted by Peregrinus:
Has anyone on here actually read the Qu'ran? The reason for the burqa is in what Christians know as Genesis, but in th eunabridged version in the Qu'ran, the rest of the Flood story is told. The whole bit leading up to the Flood is barely touched on in the Hebrew and Englishh versions. The burqa is to ensure the angels are never again tempted by the Daughters of Adam. It is as real a belief to devout Muslims as the transubstantiation of the Host is for devout Catholics. And to deny Muslims this expression of their religious belief is simple, unvarnished oppression.
--Jonah

Sorta.
From a strictly legal identification/security standpoint, this is a real problem: there have been instances of female suicide bombers that were wearing burqa.
There should be a ban on their use in government buildings (obvious reasons) or other potential target locations...but certainly not a ban on wearing them in general.
It's strange- I've seen both sides of this issue use it to further divide Muslims from everyone else. One side views it as a violation of their rights, the other as recieving special treatment.
In this particular instance, it's obvious politics and not legitimate concerns one way or the other: someone ran a poll and decided that more votes could be gained by playing to people's fears than would be lost by offending the muslim voting populace.

As to the Qu'ran being the reason to wear them, I really dont think that should be a legal issue- it's not as though angel rape is a statistic to worry about...and the whole "flood" story is far older than the Qu'ran anyway.

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Meh. If a woman wants to wear one of those things, fine, unless she carries out a public function (as people generally like being able to see the face of the person they're dealing with). The *only* benefit a ban *might* have is that those women who are actually forced to wear them by their husbands (you need to know a bit of Dutch post-WW2 history to understand why there are such cases) would gain some freedom, but it's mostly just a recurring vote-puller topic that the Right likes to drag out whenever they're losing support or feel like reminding us all about The Muslim Threat™ and how we must remain Brave Vigilant Citizens™ and report any Suspicious Activities™, which is every other week these days.
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"The *only* benefit a ban *might* have is that those women who are actually forced to wear them by their husbands ... would gain some freedom...."

I doubt it. If a guy's already forcing his wife to wear it against her will, and she can no longer go outside wearing it, he'll probably just force her to stay in the house at all times. Either that, or he'll force her to go out wearing it, and then she'll be the one arrested.

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Jason Abbadon
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The only time I've seen issue with the Burqa locally is when identification is requires -such as court case wherein a allegedly robbed woman refused to remove her burqa to testify or when another woman was not allowed into a federal building by security.

If the US tried to impose such a ban, everyone would start wearing the silly things out of protest.

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Da_bang80
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That reminds me, has anyone seen the Terror T-Shirts? They're shirts with a picture of a suicide bomb on them (Think Principal Skinner and the Armor Hotdog episode) I saw it on CNN a few weeks ago. Caused quite an uproar. I like uproars, and I want one!

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Mars Needs Women
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Oh yeah I saw an Univision interview with the creator of that shirt. His site was already viewed by the FBI and deemed "Terrorist free", so buy away.
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Da_bang80
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Oh great, the FBI deemed the site terrorist free. Now I don't want it...

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