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Reverend
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The first step is to remember not to shout at people just because they happen to be wearing green. I've known a lot of squaddies that have trouble with that one.

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PsyLiam
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St Patrick's Day must be a nightmare.

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Reverend
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You're kidding right? A day that involves heavier than normal drinking and you expect squaddies to be able to distinguish a person wearing green from a litter bin with some moss on it?

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Jason Abbadon
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A St Patrick's Day Veritech is yet another gag model I'll never get around to....though I imagine it to be white and green with shamrock insignia and, in robot mode, a jaunty bowler with pipe.

Maybe "Kiss me, I'm Irish!" enblazoned on the rifile's barrel.

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Mars Needs Women
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Funny we're mentioning the Irish since the President of Ireland spoke at my college graduation.
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Teh PW
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i should kick you in the nuts for saying the Ver-word, jason [Big Grin]
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Jason Abbadon
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quote:
Originally posted by Mars Needs Women:
Funny we're mentioning the Irish since the President of Ireland spoke at my college graduation.

Was he in a green shamrock Veritech?
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Mars Needs Women
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No, she was in some ceremonial robe. She gave a long-winded speech about the Irish, women in power, and how the User lives outside the Net and inputs games for pleasure...or something.
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Jason Abbadon
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Sounds flaky.
You should have thrown a rotten potato upside her head- in honor of the Great Potato Famine which claimed so many of your countrymen's lives.

Plus, it would have shut her up- a rotten potato explodes on impact into a horrible quuishy mess.


Er...so I've been told, that is.
(whistles, walks away quickly)

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Nim
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Well, pressure still rises.

NK still furiously denies the sinking was done by their navy. I have just one question for those on this board with global military- and naval experience...who the hell else do they suppose would fire a torpedo at an armed south korean corvette? The Imperial Balinese Navy? Prince Namor?

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Mucus
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Kind of a false dichotomy.
For example, after the Gulf of Tonkin and the WMD presentation before the Iraq War, we know that a fake is a third possibility.

Not that I'm making any claims about the likelihood of that, just the logic that there are only two options.

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Nim
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There are an unlimited number of options (UFO attack, giant squid), but short of the Phillipines or Japan losing a submarine to a rogue captain with an agenda, there are no credible options other than that North Korea did it. Or are there?

South Korea sinking one of their own ships and hiding away 46 sailors in a warehouse (just to start a war), it doesn't really benefit their cause, does it? If they want war, just proclaim a resumption of hostilities. I thought SK didn't want war, I assume they are not ready to take on the NK war machine, what with the US tied up elsewhere?

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Well, that all depends on your definition of credible.

As to the rest, assuming that South Korea did it, why hide away the soldiers? They'd be a potential information leak, just have them go down with the ship. Second, there's no reason to assume that if South Korea faked it, that they *must* have faked it in order to start a war. Third, there's no reason to assume that if the situation was faked, that South Korea necessarily faked it.

(I would also add, that if we go with your "rogue submarine captain" theory, that a captain from Israel or the US sounds more likely than Japan or the Philippines since they're further from the area and have more to gain)

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Nim
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quote:
there's no reason to assume that if South Korea faked it, that they *must* have faked it in order to start a war.
What, then?

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Third, there's no reason to assume that if the situation was faked, that South Korea necessarily faked it
Who, then?
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Mucus
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Well, assuming that South Korea faked it and that North Korea knows that they weren't involved. Then tensions benefit the military, the arms industry, and politicians hoping to benefit from a 9/11-like rally around the leader effect. These all function even without a war.

Assuming that the sinking was faked in general, then it could be Israel or the US (or the Philippines of Japan if we go with your example. A rogue captain from those nations should be roughly as credible as a rogue intelligence unit).

All that said, a much simpler explanation for North Korea's denials is that there is no reason for them to admit it and some for them not to.

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