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I hereby call on Albert Gore Jr. to concede the election to George W. Bush.
These points are clear.
1) The American experiment in democracy is bigger than either Bush or Gore.
2) To point a fact, in the course of American history up to this point in his individual career, are both rather petty players on the stage.
3) There is no decisive winner in Florida. Whoever is declared the winner will more than likely win by less than a thousand votes.
4) Litigation is not the way to decide the issue.
5) Therefore, one of the canidates much take a higher road...which may not be easy, but one that will keep the election out of the courts. Each canidate and his campaign has yet to do so of yet).
Bush can stop opposing the hand recount and end his litigation and become one with the final decision and stop trying to hurry it along lest something change. The winner wins...sit back and let the count go till it's over...win or lose. He can think better of himself and say 'I am better man than I was 2 days ago for not putting myself and my ego above this election before the republican system we have.'
Gore can accept that no matter how many little old ladys punched 4 or 5 different boxes making the ballot not valid, no matter how many pregnant chads there are, and he has pretty much lost Florida, even if only by a hair, but that is still a loss...and therefore he has lost the Oval Office. High road, best of luck President Elect Bush. He can think better of himself and say 'I am better man than I was 2 days ago for not putting myself and my ego above this election before the republican system we have.'
Please concede Vice President Gore.
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[This message has been edited by Jay (edited November 17, 2000).]
Charles Capps
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I agree that it has to end, but... well, neither side is going to conceed. It is possible that the recount will edge Gore over the top, but is the accuracy of the hand recount going to be poor enough to allow Bush's appeals to get it stopped to come through?
Right now, I honestly don't think the winner of Florida is guaranteed to win the election.
Remember, we have the electoral college.
Less than half the states require their electors to vote in a certain way.
What happens in the event that enough votes are pulled from the 'winner' to the 'loser' to produce no result, i.e. less than 270? Whee, off to Congress we go.
Florida does not matter, IMVHO.
(And now, I think I'll like, step out of the Flameboard. Hehe... )
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Bush is now, with many of the absentee ballots counted, leading by about 650 votes.
The odds of a lead this size disappearing during a recount (assuming no fraud takes place) are approximately 350,000,000 to 1. (Heard this on CNN from an oddsmaker) The odds of it NOW disappearing after the THIRD recount is even smaller.
Therefore, it will be easy to see if the fix is in, and by whom.
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That's just it, Gore wants to keep counting until the end result-he has enough votes to be on top of Bush.
However, I've seen a video of one woman bending and crunching ballots and then counting them as Gore votes... Another woman took a ballot that was hole-punched twice, and counted it as Gore's, when ANY ballot with two holes punched is automatically disqualified. There is fraud going on down there in Florida, and nothing is stopping them. That's why we the law had deadlines, so the chances of fraud wouldn't be so great. Unfortunately, Gore's campaign doesn't care about deadlines.
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Enough already! This isn't a thread about recounts! If I wanted to read that, I'd go to another thread. In fact, you people turn a dozen different election topics into the same exact thing. Keep it to one thread, will ya?
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I think its a foregone conclusion that most of the people posting in this thread are sick and tired of the recounts and just want Gore to concede.
I will admit my reasons are selfish. Its one thing to have a recount -- going to the courts is another. The Democratic Party made a big point about possible Republican voter fraud, yet now, the Republicans are gaining points for making the same claim against the Dems (and they've got proof to back them up).
Even if Gore wins the White House, he is hurting the Democratic Party more than he is helping it. Please, Al, give it up ...
Saltah'na
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I have to agree. If it was to be revealed that Gore actually won, then Gore would get a huge credibility boost. This constant demand for recounts is tiring, taxing, boring, and frankly, very stupid. It doesn't do wonders for Gore's Credibility either. So if for some reason that Gore finally wins Florida, will it be a wonderful celebration or nothing more than a bittersweet victory?
Give it up, Gore. Salvage your credibility while you still can, regroup, then smash Bush in the NEXT election.
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I don't know if Gore still has a chance in the next election ...
Right now, this whole military-ballot scandal is turning a LOT of people against Gore (including many independents & moderates...) Gore, you may have gone too far. Too bad, too.
If it turns out that the military ballots were discarded simply because they're from the military, then I don't think *I'd* vote for Gore next time around.
Now, if they were discarded b/c of a technicality such as not being postagemarked, well, that would be a very different story, IMHO.
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You mentioned the odds of that lead disappearing. As I'm sure you are aware (but others may not be), the odds of Bush's original 1,700 vote lead diminishing to 300 votes after a second MACHINE recount are practically zero. For that to happen, there would have had to have been 1,400 errors that were registered as errors in the first count, but not in the second. the exact number was 2.4*10EX180. We're talking getting struck by lightening THIRTY TIMES.
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