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Saltah'na
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I'd like to put those damned Union Bosses under the microscope.

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Shik
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The thought occurs to me that "stability" is not a viable concept in Central & South America. Looking back through history, we see that the most efficient forms of government are all built around figureheads, from Huayna Capac & Huascar to Montezuma to Simon Bolivar. I'm thinking (from a very offhand, very light, very 'I need to shower & go to work" sort of desktop sociopolitical POV) that "democracy" simply isn't viable in these regions. There's too much centuries-old mung to cut through. Maybe a benevolent dicatatorship should be the best to hope for. This seems to be the can in much of the world as well.

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Doctor Jonas
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Shik: lately, that model is beginning to change. After the whole dictatorship movement of the 70s, nobody in Latin America (with a couple of exceptions) wants a 'dictator' or dictator-like in power. Especially here. We're commending the attitude of the armed forces to avoid their intervention unless REALLY needed (if all other order-keeping forces are overwhelmed).

We just need someone executive at the chair, with a fast, effective Congress, and a clean justice system. At least, a little better than now.

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First of Two
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quote:
Maybe a benevolent dicatatorship should be the best to hope for.


I'm still available.

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Siegfried
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And it looks like the job has opened up, too. President De La Rua has resigned his presidency. It has to be approved by the Congress, but I don't think Congress will do anything to resist it considering how violent things are getting in Argentina.

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Omega
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Looking back through history, we see that the most efficient forms of government are all built around figureheads

Efficient government == bad. You need a government that can't get practically ANYTHING done, and thus doesn't interfere.

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Jay the Obscure
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Now that's a pretty lame statement.

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Malnurtured Snay
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Well, of course, because then Rush Limbaugh would have nothing to complain about and all his ditto-heads would see what a bag of shit he is

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The_Tom
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quote:
Efficient government == bad.

Wow. A homeschooled teenager from Tennessee has conclusively answered a question academics have debated for centuries. Clearly we're sharing our virtual pad here with the father of a revoulutionary overhaul of the entire field of Political Science. Should we suspend forum operations for a week and hold a ticker-tape parade?

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Shik
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Note that the statement he quoted was pre-qualified with the parameters of "Central & South America."

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TSN
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Omega's just explicitly stated that his ideal government is an incompetent one. If I took any of his political opinions seriously before, I'm certainly going to stop now...
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Doctor Jonas
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Yes, Shik, because for Omega's vision of global economics, those Central and South American states shouldn't be anything but client states for the USA. So, what a better way to intervene into local matters for the profit of the US than having to dictate local affairs for incompetent banana-republic presidents?
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Dr. Bashir, how you holding up down there, the reports we are getting are very scary. Keep your family safe.

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Doctor Jonas
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Things are going better. Rioters are mostly gone. Law enforcement is stronger now, even when the state of siege has been lifted (last measure taken by De La Rua today, who's still technically the president). Looting may cease too, now that food distribution is going along.

The future economical and political scenario is far more important. The worse thing it could happen is to fall in the old ways: worthless money printed everyday and inflation...

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First of Two
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quote:
Central and South American states shouldn't be anything but client states for the USA.


You mean like Puerto Rico?

All of the benefits of statehood, including economic support, and none of the drawbacks? They should be so lucky.

Anyway...

Considering that the most 'efficient' governments have to be those of the Fascists, and the most 'involved' governments have to be those of the Communists, and BOTH of those systems being horrible and far worse than our current inefficient, uninvolved government, I'd have to come down on Omega's side. He's only stated the obvious.

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