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PsyLiam
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"The U.S. has the highest productivity per worker in the world."

Really? Higher than the monstrously over-worked Japanese?

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bX
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quote:
Originally posted by First of Two:
All of the benefits of statehood, including economic support, and none of the drawbacks?



Drawbacks like Senators and Representatives in the houses of Congress?

[ December 22, 2001: Message edited by: Balaam Xumucane ]

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First of Two
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You haven't known many Senators and Representatives, have you? [Wink]

Actually, Puerto Rico has a non-voting representative. He could vote if they became a state.

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Grokca
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Hey isn't Porto Rico stuck in a position of taxation without representation then. How do you Americans stand for that, you should be financing a revolutionary war for them to help them get away from their oppressive government. Anyone from P.C. out there should start dumping tea in the harbours.

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Cartman
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quote:
...you should be financing a revolutionary war for them...


Naw. The US only finance other nations/groups when (a) local interest(s) is/(are) at stake.

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Shik
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It's not repression if they like it. They keep voting to remain a commonwealth.

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Cartman
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That's like saying Hitler or Stalin were democratically elected.

And of course people continue to vote for the commonwealth - as if they have a choice! Citizens there don't exactly live in a free world, ya know.

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Shik
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Puerto Rico isn't the free world?

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Cartman
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Migrate and see for yourself.
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First of Two
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Well, it IS Puerto Rico, after all, not "Richport."

I've been away from the media for several days... what's the sitch it Argentina now?

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Looks like Argentina is finally caving into international pressure to devalue the peso, the major hurdle to investment there.

Lets see what happens.

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Omega
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DEvalue? So they're going to cause massive inflation to fix their economy?

STUPID!

Inflation is BAD! They used to cut peoples' hands off for creating fake money. Now we re-elect them.

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I don't think that's their exact plan. The peso will artificially be tied to the US Dollar 1:1 for a while. That's been established by the president and his cabinet. The REAL level of reserves has been revealed: $3.3 billion, while there are almost 10 billion pesos in circulation.

What will they do? They'll begin the emmission of a new currency, unoriginally called 'Argentino', which won't be convertible with USDs. Rumors say they will take out all pesos from circulation and let the free-floating Argentino as the new currency.

Now, there's something more important. We defaulted. Yes, in a mass cheering in front of the Argentinian congress members, Rodriguez Saa (the prez) declared payment default for our national debt. Intentions are to renegotiate the debt with new rates and maybe a capital cut. Meanwhile, the surplus will be used for social programs in an orthodox Keynesian style: making everyone work for a couple of bucks building infrastructure.

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Doctor Jonas
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And yet again EVERYTHING CHANGED.

Another pot & pan protest, more rioting, fights between mobs from political parties, and even people breaking into the Congress and burning stuff.

Now we have a new president, elected by the Congress, and for two years, until December 10 2003. Eduardo Duhalde, former governor of Buenos Aires (the biggest province) and senator, peronist, suspected of having connections with major drug dealers, very demagogic in action and speech.

What are the main points? Devaluation of the peso, convertibility of our currency with the US dollar, the euro and Brazillian Real, some solutions for cash withholding (long-term solution) and more stuff we don't know, yet...

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Saltah'na
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quote:
Originally posted by Omega:
DEvalue? So they're going to cause massive inflation to fix their economy?

STUPID!

Inflation is BAD! They used to cut peoples' hands off for creating fake money. Now we re-elect them.



Yes I know it's stupid, but I did say International Pressure. They are being told to stop tying the Peso to the Greenback and devalue in order to invest. I would not be surprised if the US was part of the pressure.

This is, after all, one of the consequences of the Capitalism. Mexico suffered at one point under similar, but not the same, circumstances. There is pressure for Canada to tie its Loonie to the Greenback, but seeing what has happened in Argentina, I hope it doesn't happen any time soon.

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