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Jay the Obscure
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Michael E. O'Hanlon, Senior Fellow, Foreign Policy Studies at The Brookings Institution wrote the following opinion piece....

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Winning With the Military Clinton Left Behind

Just over a year ago, George Bush and Dick Cheney were campaigning hard on the theme that Bill Clinton and Al Gore had run down the United States military. Picking up a traditional Republican refrain, they claimed that defense cuts under President Clinton had gone too far, that the armed forces had been overused badly, that readiness was poor. But now President Bush stands on the verge of winning a war with the military that Bill Clinton bequeathed him. Just as in NATO's 1999 war against Serbia, the United States military has led coalition forces to a decisive victory while suffering very few casualties in the process.



The entire article may be found here.

Read, comment, begin exchange of ideas.

[ January 03, 2002: Message edited by: Jay the Obscure ]

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First of Two
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The Clinton administration misused military power during its first year in office in Somalia and then in Haiti; the results were needless American deaths in the first instance and a poorly planned, aborted mission in the second. Morale was low, and recruitment and retention posed problems.


At least they admit that. Someone once cautioned against 'adventures abroad.'

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Cuts in defense spending to help balance the federal budget went too far in some cases—until the Republican Congress stepped in and insisted on adding money for the Pentagon.


Oh, those damned Republicans again.

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Despite these problems, which put a drag on military readiness,


So they admit that, too. Good.

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And by the end of Mr. Clinton's second term, increases in pay and innovations in the force structure helped to resolve some of the morale, recruiting and retention problems that had been serious in the mid-90's.


Yes, but was that Billy's doing, or more of Those Damn Republicans' military spending increases, he doesn't say. [Wink]

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I notice you don't go yelling at Bush Sr. for sending troops to Somalia in the first place, you only yell at Clinton about "adventures abroad."

Interesting.

It's also interesting to note the picture the Republican Party painted of the military during the election campaign, and the reality of such.

Fascinating, truely.

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I didn't "yell" at anybody. I just agreed with the guy who wrote the article.

Perhaps you need to check your blood pressure. [Smile]

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Sorry, 'I notice you didn't place any blame on Bush Sr. for sending troops to Somalia in the first place.' Better?

So are you saying the Republicans in Congress were responsible for the military that Bush & Co. said was in lousy shape and blamed on Clinton's presidency instead of Lott & Co.? Interesting.

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The current war hardly constitutes a challenge to the US military. A small girl and her pet hamster would have been almost as effective fighting, er, whoever you say you're fighting this week as the biggest and most advanced military in the world.

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Wasn't Somalia one of those great humanitarian causes that the Libs push so much?

Will the same folks now say going in was bad?
The same folks that wanted us in Rwanda, too?

Yeah, I'll say it. The going in was good, or atleast well-intentioned... That handling of the situation once we got there, that was bad.

It might have been nasty of Bush Sr. to leave Clinton with Somalia hanging... but hell, Billy paid us back by leaving Bush Jr. the current economy. [Wink]

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Too bad the Republicans in Congress fucked up the really nice one we had going on for awhile there. Shucks.

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How do you figure?

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quote:
Despite these problems, which put a drag on military readiness,


Perhaps you'd like to finish out that quote Fo2, just to be accurate and all.

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...the condition of equipment, training standards met by pilots and troops, aptitude scores and experience levels of personnel—compared relatively favorably with those in the Reagan years.


Just to be accurate and all.

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But it is still Bill Clinton's military that has actually been winning this war. The Bush administration had barely started to make its mark on defense policy before hostilities in Afghanistan began.


So, Bush hasn't had time to do much of anything it would seem.

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The Bush administration also announced the results of a new strategic review on Sept. 30. But such a review cannot affect military operations that begin within days of its release. Moreover, the review did not reverse any of Bill Clinton's military force cuts, despite the claims of the Bush campaign last year that those reductions had gone too far. In most respects, the review looked very much like what one might have expected a Clinton or Gore administration to produce.


And it sounds to me like he might not be changing things all that much in the first place.

Sounds to me like the Clinton administration was the administration in place when the problems for the military became small conflicts rather than a two war force structure. And it sounds to me like the Clinton administration struggled as any administration would struggle to meet the challenge of domestic problems along with a new concept of military use and power.

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The performance of American forces in the Balkans in the late 1990's and in Afghanistan in 2001 has been outstanding. And the military has wielded new weapons and new concepts in these recent campaigns that it did not possess during Desert Storm: several types of guided weapons, unmanned aerial vehicles, near-real-time communications systems.


Eventually Clinton suceeded.

So, the way I read it so far, no one is willing to challenge that the military that is currently doing whatever it is its doing in Afghanistan is basicly the military left to Bush by Clinton.

Interesting.

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quote:
Originally posted by PsyLiam:
The current war hardly constitutes a challenge to the US military. A small girl and her pet hamster would have been almost as effective fighting, er, whoever you say you're fighting this week as the biggest and most advanced military in the world.



But the Taliban don't bite and scream, or store food in thier cheeks....

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And that is their Achilles, er, cheek.

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How do you figure?


Well, you bozos always like giving Republicans credit for the *good* economy when Clinton was in office, so why should they not get credit for the bad one ... ?

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"Kill the president...in a world without leaders, who would start all the wars?"
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That's just silly.
Sounds like something an anarchist would say... and we all know how stable anarchies are.

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