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Jeff Raven
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I am lifting my self-imposted ban on posting in the flameboard to bring you this.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,42579,00.html

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Malnurtured Snay
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And yet countries with stricter gun control have less crime then countries with little or no gun control.

Gee, imagine that.

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First of Two
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Not at all true.

Switzerland has a higher rate of handgun homicide than other countries, such as Australia, Canada and Britain. Yet Switzerland, with a murder rate of 1.1 per 100,000 has a much lower murder rate than Australia (2.7) *300 and Canada (2.5), and a somewhat lower murder rate than Great Britain (1.1 for England and Wales, 1.7 for Scotland). The data suggest that there is not necessarily a relationship between the handgun homicide rate and the overall homicide rate.

American data also fails to provide support for a strict relationship between handgun density and total homicide. Population groups which are highest in handgun ownership rates-namely wealthier people, Protestants, whites, and rural populations-all have lower homicide rates than other groups. In addition, the American homicide rate rose tenfold in the first three decades of the twentieth century but U.S. per capita handgun ownership remained stable. Between 1937 and 1963, handgun ownership rose by 250 percent, but the homicide rate fell by 35.7 percent. Homicide fell again in the early to mid 1980s, even as handgun ownership was surging.

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Sol System
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Er...surely wealthy and therefore presumably healthy and, maybe, happy people will be less liable to kill each other regardless?

Or, to be cynical, simply less liable to be caught and punished. But I don't really believe that.

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Malnurtured Snay
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quote:
Switzerland has a higher rate of handgun homicide than other countries, such as Australia, Canada and Britain.
Switzerland also gives its citizens weapons. Although they have strict gun control, looking at the availabilty of weapons there as compared to Great Britain and other countries does show why they have a higher crime rate.

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First of Two
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But a LOWER murder rate.

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And, of course, guns are never used for any purpose other than murder. For example, no-one's ever been robbed at gunpoint. Ever.
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The_Tom
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Compare the crime rates/murder rates/handgun homicide rates of Toronto against Philadelphia's, then sit down and shut up.

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Lee
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quote:
Originally posted by First of Two:
[QB]Switzerland has a higher rate of handgun homicide than other countries, such as Australia, Canada and Britain. Yet Switzerland, with a murder rate of 1.1 per 100,000 has . . .a somewhat lower murder rate than Great Britain (1.1 for England and Wales, 1.7 for Scotland). The data suggest that there is not necessarily a relationship between the handgun homicide rate and the overall homicide rate.[QB]

And the OVERALL murder rate for the UK would be. . ? Not much higher given comparative population densities of England & Scotland. The actual difference is infinitesimal. You're going to have us believe that a few more people killed in the UK in one particular year, than in Switzerland, is sufficient proof that widespread gun ownership is not connected to murder rates?

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Malnurtured Snay
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From the early ninteies.

Percent of households with a handgun, 1991 (1)

United States 29%
Switzerland 14
Finland 7
Germany 7
Belgium 6
France 6
Canada 5
Norway 4
Europe 4
Australia 2
Netherlands 2
United Kingdom 1

Handgun murders (1992) (2)

Country Murders* Population Rates**
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United States * 13,429 * 254,521,000 * 5.28
Switzerland * 97 * 6,828,023 * 1.42
Canada * 128 * 27,351,509 * 0.47
Sweden * 36 * 8,602,157 * 0.42
Australia * 13 * 17,576,354 * 0.07
United Kingdom * 33 * 57,797,514 * 0.06
Japan * 60 * 124,460,481 * 0.05

*Murders committed with handgunds
** Murder Handgun rate


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Jay the Obscure
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quote:
I am lifting my self-imposted ban on posting in the flameboard...
I was actually thinking of doing something like that myself. Not lifting one...rather imposing one.

The vast circular motion on this board is nauseating at times.

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The_Tom
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Indeed. I've been fighting off a bad case of motion sickness for a while.

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Ritten
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Number of murders commited with a weapon of any type in Crawford county, MI in 2001, 0.

Number of murders commited with an automobile, 2.

Does this suggest that Crawford county should ban automobiles?

The story is that a woman got pissed at her passengers and rammed a building, deciding that their ribbing made her want to kill herself. The thing is they died and she lived.

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Malnurtured Snay
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Cars are built to transport people.

Guns are built to kill people.

Big difference.

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Ritten
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Statisticly speaking, not in Crawfrod county.....

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