The US was opposed to this? while fighting a "war on terrorism"? eh what? Need more info...and
quote:Mr. Bush is also constrained by fears among far-right Republicans that the United Nations is intent on conquering the United States.
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Note: The links don't seem to work all that well, due to their length...even though I used the Instant UBB code thing. Just go to globeandmail.com and thestar.com, the articles are new enough to be on the front page.
[UBB Code == pleh. And the first URL is just too long to be salvageable. It'll have to be copied-and-pasted, and the space that'll show up in the middle of it will need to be removed. -TSN]
[I'll take a crack at it. Flippin' Globe. -T_T]
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The United States believes strongly in international justice. As long as it's for the "other."
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No, we just know how fond some other nations would be to file frivolous suits, because we know how many of our people do it.
For instance, France, if enough people started believing that guy who says that no plane hit the Pentagon and that Jews and the CIA blew up the WTC.
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That's got to be one of the more hypocritical counterarguments I've heard in a while.
America is essentially the homeland of the frivilous lawsuit. You guys pretty much invented them. And you deal with them, on a day-to-day basis, with your superdemocratic(tm) court system developed by those demigods, the foundingfathers(tm). And America, um, endures. It doesn't explode. Yes, the odd stupid woman gets paid by McDonald's, but with adequate provisions (which the ICC most certainly has) for preventing stupidity a court system can function.
Your problem is that you (and the rest of the right-wing nationalist mantrain) define "charge against America" as "frivolous." Because Americans are always right. And good. And the interests of America are inevitably the interests of all mankind.
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Quote: America's concerns that its citizens could be brought before the court over military interventions abroad.
I had heard this quite some time ago, when this idea was first bought up.
I would just like to ask: is the American government like some kind of religion over there? It's just that the impression that I get is that most Americans seem to believe that their government is infallible and the most perfect on the planet. The fact that is is 2 centuries old never seems to come up. I am all for the UN and frankly would like to see more cooperation from all countries, not just the US.
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I think part of it is the fear that about 80% of the US's upper military echelons might be charged with something or another. A lot of our top staff now made their bones in Korea or (more likely) Vietnam--both especially vague venues. So you can imagine the general trouser-soiling that might occur the first time Vietnam successfully petitions to indite someone who used to be a greenie 2LT & is now a 3-star major general for what the US might call a "successful raid" & the Vietnamese call a 25-year-old atrocity.
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is the American government like some kind of religion over there?
Only for liberals.
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Anyone who hears the kind of blind reverence and faith Omega places in Bush & Ashcroft knows how much he's speaking through his ass at the moment.
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You know, I don't think Jeff has EVER laughed at a joke in the Flameboard...
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That was supposed to be a joke? Looked like another generalized insult to me. It wasn't humorous, at any rate.
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Well, I figured that there'd be some humorous value in the fact that we've gone over the subject six million times. And the usually indicates humorous intentions...
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Sorry, but if a "liberal" tried to do what Bush and Ashcroft have done (The Patriot Act, anyone?), Omega'd be spitting out great one-liners like, "we are now the Socialist States of America", or "gosh frell it all to hell, the Supreme Court can't do zippidi-doo-da to the Constitushion!"
I find nothing funny about the issue. And it's the same insult I've used EVERY OTHER TIME we've gone over this.
In other words, Omega worships Bush more then he worships God. Yummy-yummy.
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Don't generalize that all American's wholeheartedly agree with this stance. There is a wide spectrum of faith in our leadership, and though Shrub may have like a 90% approval rating, there are quite a few of us who a) don't feel he's competent to be the leader of our nation. b) are made extremely uncomfortable by the thought of him speaking on behalf of all of us.
As an American proud of what his nation stands for, I happen to think the only way the United States is going to survive the coming half-century is if it is willing to forfeit a lot of political dominance for a less isolationist and more global approach. A large part of that would be submitting to the authority of a United Nations war crimes court.
ps-The whole Kyoto Accords thing makes the blood vessels on my forehead stand up.
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