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Although I'm not going to delete the above because I don't like the idea of censuring myself: You should Take the above with a grain of salt. I'm in a bad mood.
Which is why I'll never be on the Supreme Court.
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quote:Airplanes are not vehicles, for instance, in the legal definition of the term
incorrect. they are still vehicles, but crimes involving damaging airplanes are simply different than those involving other vehicles due to the extent of damages possible with an airplane over, say, a razor scooter. mental retardation is, by definition, not an illness. it can be result of an illness, but it itself is not an illness. baldness is not an illness. it can be the result of an illness, but it itself is not an illness. mental illness and its treatment in the legal system is dealt with from a causality standpoint. mental retardation and its treatment in the legal system should be dealt with from a resultant standpoint. these treatments can be/(are) similar, but not the same. just as mental retardation and mental illness can be/(are) similar, but they are not the same.
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I think a person with intention to hurt someone, resulting in a manslaughter, or intention to kill, resulting in murder, should get the electric chair regardless of his/her mental state.
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But here's the problem: yes mental cases do have an awareness and even the ability to 'cure' themselves of their mental problems. However the ones who have some sort of mental diease (the brain which is not fully developed, missing parts, or even just not working properly) really have little to no hope of 'curing' their diease, unless someone comes up with a pill or a shot that can increase brain size, (might as well as for world hunger and war to stop), it'll never happen.
Most people who kill are fulyl aware that they killed someone (even a really big part of the cases where they are proclaimed mentally unstable are fully aware). People with the mental disease (again smaller brain and such) will not be fully aware of that they killed someone and that's a seriously bad thing to do.
I remember 8 years ago, I visited the home for the Mentally Challanged, two of the 'residents' got into a fight and nearly killed each other because one person was eating. The others were even choosing sides which to fight as well. When they fight, it's extremely dangerous to break them up.
To kill someone because they have a smaller brain is just like saying we should kill the handicapped because they can't walk, talk, breathe, listen, and so on.
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quote:Originally posted by BlueElectron: I think a person with intention to hurt someone, resulting in a manslaughter, or intention to kill, resulting in murder, should get the electric chair regardless of his/her mental state.
That alone could probably cause an energy shortage. And, given the cost and time to actually reach an execution, be prepared to watch your taxes skyrocket, and the criminal justice system implode, if all manslaughter cases would be considered capital crimes.
What ever happened to rehabilitating criminals, or the notion that a convicted man has a chance to "pay his debt" to society and then rejoin it?
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BE, I'm afraid an English chap named Eric beat you to advocating the prosecution of ThoughtCrime about fifty years ago. Or possibly not.
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Yo, I didn't say you should be prosecuted for your tought or intention, I said you should be prosecuted for your captial crime resulting from your thought or intention.
And the rehabilitation stuff, in my opinion, it's total bull. All that "he can become a better man" catch phrase is absolute unrealistic crap coming from super goody goody "Nad Flander" type liberals who can't see what's going on in the real world. Face it, a murderer can never be a productive member of our society, and he will remain as a time bomb ready to go off at any time.
I think prison system are there to PUNISHED those guilt, and death penality is there to weed out the absolute garbages of our society, it will save society a lot of money in the short run and the long run.
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Oh, what would constitute them being absolute garbage of society? I think if you killed someone and knew you did it, you should get the chair. Mass bombings, you should be shot on the spot. But thats just me.
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quote:Originally posted by BlueElectron: Face it, a murderer can never be a productive member of our society, and he will remain as a time bomb ready to go off at any time.
:::blinks violently::: I could quite easily murder someone & have nearly done so on several occasions. I would still define myself as a "productive member of our society."
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quote:Originally posted by Matrix: I think if you killed someone and knew you did it, you should get the chair. Mass bombings, you should be shot on the spot.
Perfecto! I couldn't of said it better!
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