quote:Originally posted by Krenim: Okay, let's address the elephant in the room: The opening scene is a flashback showing the graphic dismantling of Icheb. Yes, Icheb. I don't watch Star Trek for torture porn. The idea of Icheb having been killed for his Borg tech is... fine. But to have it shown in that gruesome detail? Shame on you, show. Shame on you.
I saw a video showing the eye removal and the nose implant removal but it didn't seem enough damage had been done to warrant Seven shooting him.
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I guess we don't know how much damage might have been done to him before the scene started. But, yeah, as Lee said, it seems like he was just there to get fridged.
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Killing off Icheb just for the shock effect felt kind of cheap. I also don't like recasting characters.
This episode also heavily suffered from Small Universe Syndrome. So Picard meeting Seven was just a coincidence and both of them conveniently wanted something from Bjayzl. Also a huge coincidence that Musiker's son was on Freecloud. Two smaller SUS cases were Mr. Mot's Hair Emporium and the refernce to Quark.
The La Sirena apparently is a Kaplan F17 Speed Freighter. Sounds more like something straight out of Star Wars.
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quote:Originally posted by TSN: I guess we don't know how much damage might have been done to him before the scene started. But, yeah, as Lee said, it seems like he was just there to get fridged.
Well, yeah, but even then we should have been shown it was a mercy killing. There was only one other small component in the tray into which the eye and nose-piece had gone.
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Something's occurred to me... we haven't seen Klingons in STP. I'm curious if they'll stay true and show us the Klingons we all recognize or use the style in STD. I haven't heard if Worf will make an appearance.
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There was a photograph of Picard and Worf in the first episode.
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I think they’ve said that Worf’s “look” wouldn’t be tampered with were he to appear.
Though I suspect if it came down to a choice between bringing back a Klingon character with (to them) an outdated look, versus featuring new Klingon characters with the new (DSC) look, they’d go for the latter. Visual reboot seems to be the order of the day: even ascribing the DSC-era ships in “Children of Mars” as sheer laziness and indifference, there was no need to have that hologram Discoprise apart from to say “fuck you” to the likes of us.
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I choose to interpret that Discoprise hologram in PIC as a ship of another class than the TOS Constitution, that coincidentally looks like the Discoprise (since I don’t believe for one second that DSC takes place in the prime universe), just like how those background ships in Children of Mars look coincidentally like the Magee and Zimmerman classes from DSC, but aren’t. The hologram had no name or registry, so I’m free to interpret it that way.
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