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Krenim
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A GREAT episode. Definitely the high point of the season so far.

LOTS of continuity nods. We see the Voyager-J (which is our first discontinuity with Series ?, I think). The Temporal Wars are brought up again as a 30th Century conflict (they could have spilled over into the 31st Century to account for Daniels, who was fighting at the war's "end"). Barzan's poverty is brought up by Nhan. The fall of the Terran Empire is brought up during Georgiou's debriefing.

Discovery finds Federation/Starfleet HQ right off the bat, and naturally Starfleet is all WTF. It takes a bit for them to determine that a 23rd Century ship showing up is legit, but by the end of the episode, it's all good.

Hey, a transporter accident episode! I don't think I've ever been so happy to see something so cliche! [Smile]

Starfleet maintains a seed vault ship. Nifty. Always liked the real-life concept.

Nhan leaves at the end of the episode to finish Barzan's watch at the seed vault. Not sure why's she's leaving. I see Rachel Ancheril has joined the cast of some nursing show, but I also caught briefly that Nhan was wearing a skirted variant of the Disco uniform that could be described as maternity wear.

Oded Fehr was great as Admiral Vance, but the real stand-out for me was David Cronenberg as... uh... somebody. Never knew he acted. Seriously, his interaction with Michelle Yeoh was gold. Hope to see more of him.

No more clues as to the cause of the Burn, but given that we've been getting nods to the Temporal Wars, I'm wondering if maybe the Burn was a sour-grapes f***-you by one of the factions. NASCAR Nazgul Alien Nazi Space Vampires, maybe?

Oh, and there's apparantly some significance to the song/music that was first heard from Grey playing on the violin.

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Shik
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I agree with most of the above. "Voyager-J" pisses me the fuck off, though.

Sad to see Nhan leave. I thiught she was a great addition to the command staff & was looking forward to the growing Saru/Burnham/Nhan troika.

So now we see where Pippa's series is gonna come from. Also, I bet that was a either a PippaBot or Pippagram. Probably the latter. Interesting that it's still all holos & no androids.

Per Wiki: Gavriil Adrianovich Tikhov was a Soviet astronomer who was a pioneer in astrobiology and is considered to be the father of astrobotany. My qiestion: is that another thousand-year-old ship constantly upgraded, or do they make new ones & just give it the same name? And why would a civilian family be crewing it instead of a Starfleet crew? Also, why a ship at all rather than an installation (or spores of installations)? Or better yet, why can't the seeds be replicated? (Tangent: I wonder if Memory Alpha is still around?)

I bet that song is an equation, something about synthesizing new dilithium. Also, it's the 32nd century, why are they still scrabbling for physical resources?

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Spike
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So Discovery runs into Starfleet after 1,000 years and the first vessels she meets are references to TOS (USS Constitution), VOY (USS Voyager-J) and DS9 (USS Nog). Small universe-syndrome alert!

Coincidentally, they also arrive just in time to prove their usefullness to Starfleet and coincidentally the new mission involves Barzans.

The Tikhov's registry supposedly is NCC-1067-M. Good, because it didn't look 23rd century. And they probably should've named it USS Tardis. Looked shuttle-sized, didn't it?

Registry-wise we're in the NCC-3xxxxx range. Are these supposed to be really old vessels? In the 29th century 474439 had already been used 11 times.

The USS Nog is an Eisenberg-class vessel and the Voyager-J an Intrepid-class vessel according to Trecore.

Annoyingly so, pips on the the Starfleet badge are in style again. The new uniforms were a bit of a mess. There seem to be at least two different styles of standard uniforms in use, not counting whatever the holograms were wearing. And then there's Admiral Vance who has totally different rank insignia than Tal in the previous episode. He has 5 pips on his badge, 2 stripes and 5 pips on his collar, and 5 stripes and 5 pips on his shoulder. Then again, Tal's insignia didn't exactly make much sense either (2 triangles on the collar, 6 on the shoulders).

No idea what went on between Space Hitler and the guy with the tie and Vinylize glasses.

Will they ever fix Discovery's constantly open shuttle bay door?

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Spike
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quote:
Detmer: Detached nacelles? Where do they even put the warp core?
What a strange question. Does she think the warp core is supposed to be in the pylons?

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It looks like to me that all (or almost) ships from the beginning of 'People of Earth' are indeed Starfleet, though I find it odd that those ships are still in active duty 120 years later (well, maybe not). I understand the production point of view, but one should expect that 120 years later other ship types are present at Starfleet's HQ.

But I'm slightly offended by this prefix inflation: NCC-1067-M. Seriously?

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Dukhat
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I haven’t seen the episode yet, but the Tikhov is supposed to be a 23rd century Starfleet ship? Huh? If that’s the case, why does it have an M suffix? And why is it so small? And looks absolutely nothing like a 23rd century Starfleet ship? And still in service after 900 years? And conveniently didn’t explode in the Burn? I think either a scriptwriter fucked up or a VFX guy fucked up.

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Spike
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Obviously the Tikhov was replaced again and again by a vesssel of the same name.

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Dukhat
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But from what I understand, that’s not what was implied. It was implied that this specific ship was from the 23rd century.

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quote:
Burnham: In the 23rd century, there was a Federation seed-vault ship, the USS Tikhov. It held samples of every plant in the galaxy. If it still exists, it will have seeds from before the planet's environmental collapse, and we can synthesize an antidote from that.

Vance: The Tikhov is still around, but it's five months away.

I'm going to pretend that Vance just wanted to keep it simple instead of telling Burnham "Well, duh, obviously we don't use a 1,000 year old ship for such an important job. But Starfleet replaced it every 70 years and the current Tikhov is the 13th, eh sorry, 14th ship bearing the name. Fun fact: My ancestor Thaddeus Vance designed the Tikhov-F. Sorry, what were we discussing?".

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Lee
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That was Oded Fehr? He got old. After he was in The Mummy, I always thought he’d make a good Klingon...

And, bloody hell, David fricking Cronenburg. Was bugging me where I knew him from. That was a great scene too.

So nobody knows what caused the Burn, and people all over the galaxy know that snippet of music. At least it’s not some lullaby Burnham’s parents used to sing to her, which hopefully rules out her mum being the cause of the Burn (it’s totally still her though). No mention of the Borg or Q, but the Mirror Universe is common knowledge? Hmm...

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quote:
Originally posted by Lee:

And, bloody hell, David fricking Cronenburg. Was bugging me where I knew him from. That was a great scene too.

My first thought was the G-Man from Half-Life...

For me, Cronenburg played the best character in S3 so far. Hope to see more of him.

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Lee
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Possibly the most inspired bit of Trek guest casting since Iggy Pop.

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