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Hmmm.... A Mirror Universe series... that's actually not a bad idea.
It could be like Kid Video or Dungeons and Dragons where they were always trying to find a way back home, but ended up getting side tracked and very little of the series ended up having to do with getting home.
And pretty much anything would go. Only a couple bits of continuity to worry about. You'd have a group of normal Humans trying to maintain their ideals in an entire galaxy of chaos. My fear would be that, to do the MU justice, they'd have to do things that Paramount would be far to squeamish to do with Star Trek.
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Honestly, "dark" Star Treks are rarely very popular with the general audience. There's a segment of the fanbase that likes it, and which likes war stories, etc. But my gut instinct is the mass audience necessary for the success of such a series is never going to be interested in evil parallel universes, Klingons, etc. Honestly, I'D not be interested in such things.
I'd like to see a discussion about what TOS and TNG are in the general populace the most popular shows, while DS9, Voyager and Enterprise haven't grab similar mass cultural attention. Sure, both TOS and TNG appeared when there was a relative dearth of SF programming and less TV options, but I suspect on some level there's something about those two shows that the others lack.
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quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: It could be like Kid Video or Dungeons and Dragons where they were always trying to find a way back home, but ended up getting side tracked and very little of the series ended up having to do with getting home.
You mean like Voyager?
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quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: It could be like Kid Video or Dungeons and Dragons where they were always trying to find a way back home, but ended up getting side tracked and very little of the series ended up having to do with getting home.
You mean like Voyager?
I cant believe you used both "Kid Video" and "Dungeons & Dragons" as the basis your making your point.
I'd call you an Uber-Geek, if I had'nt wasted so many saturady mornings watching the same crap...
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Recently, there seems to be two camps of thought on series VI going about fandom, both based on the recent rumors. Among those rumors are Shatner's possible ideas in regards to a Trek revival and Harve Bennet's recent interview on what Trek needs to do to reinvent itself.
One is a Starfleet Academy-like series with late-teen Kirk and Spock coming together for a Young Sherlock Holmes/Smallville adventure. The other is a complete reboot of the original series.
In order for a young Kirk and Spock series to succeed, however, it needs to be focused not on their academy years (SA 90210?) but rather their early, post-academy years, adventures. An "Early Voyages," if you will that shows how the two men evolved into the men we met in WNMHB.
There is no reference, that I know of, that negates the possibility that Kirk and Spock knew each other before TOS. In WNMHB, there seems to be some-kind of rapport, albiet a slightly antagonistic one.
It would be more daring if the "Early Voyages" idea would show Kirk and Spock's lives seperate from one another and only intersecting for brief periods.
A reboot, ala the constant revisions to such pop heros as Superman and Batman, is one a great deal of fans seem to be against. It is, however, bound to happen. Even in 1979, after TMP was made it was predicted that a day would come (in the Making of TMP book by Susan Suckett and Gene Roddenberry) when Kirk and Spock would be portrayed by actors other than Shatner and Nimoy.
I would suggest, rather than rebooth the old show that a new series be constructed around the original 13 page series treatment that Roddenberry wrote in 1963/4. It can be found here Star Trek Pitch.
Instead of a new Kirk, there'd be Robert April with a slightly different version of the Spock we know at his side. There'd also be a strong female first officer who'd be the perfect counterpoint to the overly burdened commanding officer.
It could be used as a jumping point with a few alterations to bring the idea a little more up-to-date.
In any case, a new Trek series needs to abandon the sci-fi cliches that burden current Trek for more daring personal drama and hard sf concepts.
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"RECENTLY"? You think these two "camps" for the next series are recent???
I've been reading these same ideas recycled over and over for the past five years, and that's only since I've been paying attention to fandom rumors! That silly "Starfleet Academy" idea is probably as old as I am...
Face it: there aren't many ideas at all that are really worthy of being called "new" anymore... not to any reasonable extent, anyway.
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quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: "RECENTLY"? You think these two "camps" for the next series are recent???
I've been reading these same ideas recycled over and over for the past five years, and that's only since I've been paying attention to fandom rumors! That silly "Starfleet Academy" idea is probably as old as I am...
Face it: there aren't many ideas at all that are really worthy of being called "new" anymore... not to any reasonable extent, anyway.
I know that those ideas aren't brand spankin' new and are probably rotten with mold. Should've said once again making the rounds of fandom. Those ideas are once again being bounced around on the other BBS.
New ideas, I'm full of them. Or is that bullsh*t? Same difference.
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An idea occured to me last night while listening to a Styx CD, a Miss Federation Pageant.... c. 2400
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The President of the UFP is brought up on charges of incompetence. His leading opponents are Hugh Borg from the opposition party and Busta Full Monty from his own party who wants turn the UFP into his own collective. Of course there is an Orion slave girl named mare'i car'i who also wants to hold "The office".
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How to make a good Star Trek series: "Hey, here is a neat idea that requires the Star Trek mythos to tell."
How to make a bad one: Well, anything else, in my opinion.
Having said that, what I would be watching in Universe Perfect: Star Trek: West Wing.
Star Trek: Quentin Tarentino would be like Star Trek: Hot Sauce In The Eyes. I mean, like, that is not where it is supposed to go, you know?
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Around the time of TREK III, Shatner said Trek needed more 'dirt under the fingernails and real steel clanging doors.' I thin he was right, and QT is the kind of guy who would deliver that (not in this reality where Berman controls and pisses on everything, but maybe in some better Mirror universe where NASA was more like Major Matt Mason ...
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I'm having difficulty unpacking your question, Tim. Are you suggesting that every Star Trek episode could have been produced for some other show just by filing off the serial numbers? Because that's the kind of non-specifity that I was getting at. If someone has a neat idea for a science fiction show that doesn't really need to be Star Trek, she or he (and the viewers) would be much better off if they just made a new show. See: Why Media Tie-In Novels Are Bad And Evil.
I mean, OK, obviously with enough tweaking you can turn any story into any other story. But let's be reasonable.
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