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Neutrino 123
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Isn't the Oberth a canon design too?

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*smacks head* DOH!

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Okay well here goes Questions 1&2 for the moment

Q1a
I would first like to note to Starfleet command and the Federation council my EXTREME concern over the status of Federation member world Espejo V, historical analysis has in this Admiral's humble opinion conclusively proven that "benevolent" fascism is a contradiction in terms as fascism is by its very nature not very much suited to bestow any kind of benevolence and tolerance upon its subjects.
Included with this transmission is an excerpt from the works of the 19th century human philosopher John Stuart Mill which I believe states my case quite eloquently. http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/m/mill/john_stuart/m645r/chapter3.html
More practically it is my opinion that the situation on Espejo V could turn very ugly very quickly I therefore request the presence of a sizable company of agents from Starfleet intelligence to keep me informed of the Espejo V situation at all times (around 1000 should do the trick).

As for the Sobchak colony situation I would recommend a large scale agricultural colony be developed as far away from the Klingon population centers as possible, however since it seems we got here first I'll also place some minor environmentally sustainable mining operations near the richest ore deposits (in furtherance of the resource denial campaign).
Pertaining to the logistics of the colony I assume the initial settlement will be handled by the bureau of Colonization (or whatever arm of the Federation government deals with it) and the supply lines will be handled by civilian operators. However since I do recognize that providing service to a newly developing colony in a disputed territory can be risky I'm willing (with commands permission of course) to award subsidized contracts to one or more operators to ensure a steady line of supply.

Q1b
As stated in my previous outline I would prefer to see shipping to and from the new colony handled by civilian operators however I a plan on requesting one Giant class cargo transport from transport command to be assigned to my fleet to provide emergency relief/ evacuation when necessary. I would also be wise to provide adequate defenses for the colony so I plan on requesting two Kestrel class starships to be assigned to colonial defense in the Sobchak system. The first task of these two ships will be to lay a minefield and some sensor warning buoys along the outskirts of the nebula to hopefully deter pirate raids from that direction.
In addition Im requesting a network of orbital satellites to be deployed near the colony consisting of a mixture of communications, defense and intelligence gathering satellites (I assume the Klingons will do the same).

Starship Request & Deployment plans

USS Lysander NCC-1593 Siegfried Class (sector flagship based at station K10)
USS Skua NCC-1396 Kestrel Class (colonial defense in Sobchek system)
USS Owl NCC-1435 Kestrel Class (colonial defense in Sobchek system)
USS India NCC-1479 Lancaster Class (colonial defense in Sobchek system*)
USS Hauler NCC-T338 Giant Class (colonial support in Sobchek system)
USS Giotto NCC-647 Oberth Class (MKII 2241) (mapping and study of UlChek nebula)
USS Nernst NCC-893 Oberth Class (mapping and study of UlChek nebula)
USS Oasis NCC-DT29 Sahara Class (General Fleet Support)
USS Deinonychus NCC-1421 Kestrel Class (General Fleet support, escort to DT29)

Patrol Squadron 1
USS Proteus NCC-1478 Valley Forge Class (regular patrol)
USS Dazzler NCC-1567 Avenger Class (regular patrol)
USS Reporter NCC-1787 Avenger Class (regular patrol)

Patrol Squadron 2 (Intercept wing)
USS Buccaneer NCC-1686 Predator Class (regular patrol)
USS Spanker NCC-1842 Predator Class (regular patrol)

To summarize my forces in this sector would comprise
1x Siegfried Class Battle cruiser
1x Valley Forge Class Medium Cruiser
3x Kestrel Class Destroyer
2x Avenger Class Destroyer
2x Predator Class Destroyer
2x Oberth Class Surveyor
1x Sahara Class Tender
1x Giant Class Transport

*note to command: should be scrapped

Q1c
Hmmm. Likely one of the local factions, most likely the pirates or the Penxi are up to no good in that nebula, Ill order the Nernst to investigate further but to be cautious and retreat at the first sign of danger. Ill also have Patrol squadron 2 divert to a staging point just outside the Nebula.

Q1d
If piracy really starts to escalate I might have to request an additional patrol squadron from Starfleet, however I believe the colony defenses Ive requested should be sufficient to deter most pirate vessels from attempting to raid it.
To be on the safe side though Ill order patrol squadron 2 to begin laying the minefield and keep the kestrels closer to the colony.

Additional Ship Requests:

Patrol Squadron 3 (anti piracy)
USS Biter NCC-D209 Predator Class (special patrol)
USS Bruiser NCC-D217 Predator Class (special patrol)

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Hehhehheh....

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Question 2

Q2a
Ill critique Minutiaes deployment plans.
Overall theyre well thought out however I must question the wisdom of requisitioning a Belleau Wood class assault transport as a permanent addition to the fleet, since first of all its a slow and lightly armed vessel by contemporary standards so youll probably need to give it escorts to constantly keep it safe and I highly doubt it will be effective in repelling a Klingon incursion should it come to that since Klingons usually like to attack with overwhelming numbers anyway. I think youd be better off overall if you had requested one or two other smaller vessels that would in my opinion be much more useful for intercepting pirates since piracy is arguably this sectors main problem (at least the main problem that we could actually handle with the meager force Starfleets assigned to this sector for anything else Im guessing the doctrine of defense in depth still applies and well be forced to make a fighting retreat in the face of overwhelming odds until Starfleet can send reinforcements.)
BTW, arent TWO Miranda class Starships a bit much in the way of firepower to request for this out of the way sector (to my knowledge theyre actually more advanced than the Constitution and Pyotr Velikiy classes we werent even allowed to request).

Q2b
Sigh..command never does give us lowly Admirals in out of the way sectors the resources necessary to actually provide an adequate defense do they?
(Ive always suspected this might be the reason why in so many episodes of the series the Enterprise is the only ship in the neighborhood except we dont get an Enterprise to safe us do we?)

Here goes revised fleet deployments are as follows:
USS Lysander NCC-1593 Siegfried Class (sector flagship based at station K10)
USS Skua NCC-1396 Kestrel Class (colonial defense in Sobchek system)
USS Owl NCC-1435 Kestrel Class (colonial defense in Sobchek system)
USS Hauler NCC-T338 Giant Class (colonial support in Sobchek system)
USS India NCC-1479 Lancaster Class (colonial defense in Sobchek system*)
USS Nernst NCC-893 Oberth Class (mapping and study of UlChek nebula)

Patrol Squadron 1
USS Biter NCC-D209 Predator Class (regular patrol)
USS Dazzler NCC-1567 Avenger Class (regular patrol)
USS Reporter NCC-1787 Avenger Class (regular patrol)

Patrol Squadron 2
USS Buccaneer NCC-1686 Predator Class (regular patrol)
USS Spanker NCC-1842 Predator Class (regular patrol)

That effectively eliminates squadron 3, the Giotto, and my second cruiser
(since I only requested 7 additional ship and the question states I lose half Im interpreting this in my favor)
* Notwithstanding my reduced fleet size, I still think command should recall this ship to be decommissioned.

Q2c
Do I look like an expert on colony settlement & planetary management and administration techniques all of a sudden?
Id better let the overpaid analysts at the Bureau of Colonization deal with this one (unless Starfleet actually wishes me to establish a fortified military outpost which I assume is not the purpose of this colony even though it is situated at a rather strategic point in this sector). As for the supply needs of the colony thats something for transport command to handle (Im assuming transport command handles all non civilian transport traffic in this sector), although like I said before it would be best if we could entice local civilian operators to take care of the supply line if necessary through subsidized contracts.
Since were going to be sharing this planet with the Klingons I suppose a 500 man strong military police force equipped with a dozen or so heavy shuttlecraft might be appropriate to maintain order.

Q2d
Darn it! I had hoped that our colonists would get here first I should have known that the Klingons would use this colony as a pretext for establishing a military base.
In light of these developments Id like to make a request to double my requested security force and furthermore request a wing of three Balclutha class corvettes* (link: http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/corvette_balclutha.jpg) to counter those pesky Brels to be based at Sobchek. (though somehow I doubt command will actually accede to this request). I would also request command to release the requested Valley forge class cruise to me as soon as possible.
Ill also inquire amongst the local governments if they might be interested in establishing a joint tactical training with academy me on Sobchek.
If they agree to this it would serve two purposes, first it would provide me with additional security forces I could deploy in a pinch, secondly the security and law enforcement personnel on border worlds would likely benefit from the opportunity to observe Klingon soldiers in action (maybe I could even invite some Klingons to take participate since its likely their crews are going to visit our colony on shore leave anyways).

I think these are reasonable specs for a movie era corvette (since shipschematics didnt provide any)
Crew Complement: 56 (12 officers +44 crew)
Weapons: 4 phaser turrets in twin mounts, 1 photon torpedo tube with 18 photons
Embarked Craft: 2 transatmospheric shuttlecraft
Velocity (cochrane scale): Warp 5.5 standard, Warp 8.8 maximum

Q2e
I will do my best to assure the good general that the Nernst is merely a science vessel cataloguing gaseous anomalies Im curious about what his ship was doing in the nebula though since to my knowledge K-23s arent known for their stellar scientific capabilities.
Ill also point out that the extremely limited range of ships sensors in the nebula combined with its relative distance from the main Klingon assets in this sector (unless there are any in the nebula that were unaware of makes it an illogical location to conduct espionage missions against the Klingon Empire from.
If I actually succeed in convincing the general I propose we hunt for the pirates base of operations together since pirate attacks are a menace to both our peoples.

Q2f

This is exactly the reason why I requested a third patrol squadron since I cannot possibly safeguard the entire sector with my current forces.
I suppose if the Safko government is unwilling to have a ring of orbital defense satellites placed around their world the best thing I can do is place sensor buoys along the pirates most likely approach vectors to the Safko system and hope they warn one of my patrol squadrons the next time this happens. Though Ill do my best to persuade the Safkans that some automatic, orbital defense satellites would be their best bet if they want to keep damage from pirate raids to a minimum.

Q2g

Since Im making a late entry Ill skip this one for now.

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Interesting critique, IDLUN. You make a good point, except for one thing... the Belleau Wood isn't part of my fleet to be a patrol ship, it's there to be a mobile support platform (with its large hangar bays) to serve as colony support and light defense. There's no chance it'll stand up to the Klingons, of course, but that's not the point... it's the pirates that I'm concerned about.

As for my fleet numbers... well, my Asmodeii were a last-minute addition to my fleet anyway, as I initially overlooked the severity of the pirate problem. And I made my requests with the goal of being reasonable for Command's benefit i.e. I figured they'd give me what I asked for. I could I expect the stylus-pushers to nix my requisitions? (Me not being bureaucratic-minded, anyway.) I notice you fell into the same trap, too.

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That corvette is by far one of the ugliest things I have ever seen.

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^^
That means it'll go just nicely with the uniforms of the period don't you agree Shik?
And you never know, maybe it'll scare the Klingons.

So do I get those reinforcements or not?

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We all requested reinforcements after the initial fleet arrival.

You sir, on the other hand, have one of the largest (if not the largest) fleets in the sector the way it is.

I do have a question about your fleet. What happened to your other Oberth? You have the Nernst and requested two others. Even with only getting half the ships, shouldn't you have another Oberth now or did you trade it for something else?

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^

Ah.. No Herb, I only requested one not two additional Oberths.
Maybe my fleet summary in Q1 was a bit convoluted (mainly because I tore up patrol squadron 73 and reassigned those ships to work with my new arrivals instead of keeping them together), these were the additional ships I requested in Q1, including those requested in Q1d:
USS Lysander NCC-1593 Siegfried Class
USS Proteus NCC-1478 Valley Forge Class
USS Owl NCC-1435 Kestrel Class
USS Deinonychus NCC-1421 Kestrel Class
USS Biter NCC-D209 Predator Class
USS Bruiser NCC-D217 Predator Class
USS Giotto NCC-647 Oberth Class
USS Oasis NCC-DT29 Sahara Class
USS Hauler NCC-T338 Giant Class

The ships I actually received in Q2 (after command put the axe to my requisitions) were therefore:
USS Lysander NCC-1593 Siegfried Class
USS Owl NCC-1435 Kestrel Class
USS Biter NCC-D209 Predator Class
USS Hauler NCC-T338 Giant Class
(of which Hauler doesnt count since its a transport)

This means the ship requests axed by command consist of :
USS Proteus NCC-1478 Valley Forge Class
USS Deinonychus NCC-1421 Kestrel Class
USS Bruiser NCC-D217 Predator Class
USS Oasis NCC-DT29 Sahara Class and
USS Giotto NCC-647 Oberth Class

To answer your question completely, yes I dropped the second Oberth of my own volition (my original plan was to have two science vessels so that I could redeploy one of them should the need arise, however I later realized that with my reduced escort fleet size I wouldnt have the resources to actually safeguard two science vessels so I gave up the Giotto). I did however include it in the count in Q2b adding to the confusion.
I also somehow forgot to include the Sahara class in my initial fleet count in Q2b (probably since I didnt consider it to be an escort vessel because I presumed it to be unarmed).

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I've got a Sahara too... it's treated as a transport, because it's a support vessel.
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Question 3

Q3a
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The Nernst finds in the nebula an unmistakably Penxi transport vessel transferring supply to a pirate raider. The Nernst remains undetected. How do you proceed?
I'll order the Nernst to record it but stay hidden.
In the meantime I'll divert patrol wing 2 from their mine laying duties to converge on the Nernst's position (they should be able to get there relatively quickly since they're already at the edge of the nebula). If my patrol wing gets there in time I want them to destroy the pirate ship but only disable the Penxi transport by targeting life her life support and impulse engines. Next I want them to collect (or vaporize) all the debris from the pirate vessel and alter the transports sensor logs to make it look like the transport was attacked by the pirate vessel (for good measure they should loot the Penxi ship to make it look convincing). With any luck this should do something to sour relations between the Penxi and some of the pirates.

Q3b
Ill make it clear to the general that neither Starfleet nor the Federation is in the business of attacking civilians, even Klingon ones whod no doubt like nothing better than to attack us and that if the Federation would really like to prevent or delay the Klingon settlement on Sochaks planet wed have far more efficient means of accomplishing that goal. I hope my two Kestrels,the India and patrol wing 2 (assuming theyve finished their mission from Q3a) were in sensor range of the Klingon ships when they helped them fend off the attackers so itll lend some credence to my arguments.
I will further offer to provide an escort to Sobcheks planet for the two D18s limping behind with my two Kestrels.

Q3c
Really?. I didnt expect this action from the Klingons since I didnt initially choose a spot for the main colony that was close to any major ore deposits. Given the Klingons usual propensity for strip mining operations in their inexhaustible hunger for resources I can only conclude that the Klingons are doing this a, because they want to establish a large agricultural base (which in turn can only mean they want to establish a long term military base from which they can conduct operations against the Federation) and b, theyve somehow obtained access to my recommendations to the Bureau of colonization and are doing this to spite me.
Most likely the real reason is a combination of the two possibilities mentioned above, which means Ill have to step up my counter intelligence efforts beginning with changing all security codes and clearances at Station K10.

Q3d
Oh? If DSU Qiao would care to enlighten me as to when exactly the Klingons decided to join the Federation and why I wasnt informed of this Id be glad to relocate the Klingon settlers for him (or at least integrate the two settlements), otherwise I remind him that I have no jurisdiction over Klingon military or civilian matters and if he really wanted that spot he should have gotten here sooner. For good measure Ill show him the recordings of the answer governor Valg gave me when I asked him that question and tell him that for once I agree with the Klingons and that its just though shit for DSU Qiao.

Q3e
Oh joy, another of my fears is starting to become a reality. Aside from undoubtedly inflating the already inflated egos of the jackbooted military commanders on Espejo V this sector defense union is a bad idea because it would most likely spread the system defenses to thin leaving the vital planets in this sector wide open to pirate raids or Klingon invasion. Maybe the system defense forces could extent their patrol range to two or three light-years from their home systems but given their likely low maximum warp speeds and the low range of sensors Id strongly recommend against anything more than that.

Q3f
Well this certainly looks suspicious, since when are Deputy Sector Undersecretarys cleared to access Starfleets secured files on planetary & sector defenses?
Also, totalitarian agriculture, thats nothing short of barbaric. If DSU Qiao really intends to undertake these kinds of programs, ruining entire ecosystems just to spite the Klingons, I have half a mind to contact the Organians and tell them weve decided to relinquish the system to the Klingons myself. Ill order my security forces to arrest DSU Qiao immediately on suspicions of Espionage and attempted genocide until we can sort out this mess.
Even if this turns out just to be a Klingon setup in an attempt to frame mr. Qiao they might have unwittingly done me favor by allowing me to (temporarily) put this officious nit out of action. In the meantime Ill see if there isnt a young and bright Vulcan lieutenant amongst my staff I can promote to acting governor of Sobchaks planet since this colony will most likely need a level headed pragmatist and not some antagonistic buffoon in command, if its to succeed.

BTW, anyone know how to upload a file to this board so I can include the map with colony locations?

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quote:
Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:
I've got a Sahara too... it's treated as a transport, because it's a support vessel.

In that case I'll amend my fleet deployment information with the following:

USS Oasis NCC-DT29 Sahara Class (general fleet support).

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Whoa there; you can't just arrest people for looking at files they have security clearance to access. All we know is that he was looking at these files. We have no clue if has done anything with them or even plans to.

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"Also, totalitarian agriculture, thats nothing short of barbaric."

And yet it's been done every day on this planet for the past 10 millennia.

Barring more bullshit with the fuckery that is my former employers & their owing of money to me (we're up to $623.12 now!) Q4 should be up by midnight Monday. That's Sunday going into Monday, that is.

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