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becky
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Hello I am Becky from Montana.I have decide to pay you lonely and sad people a visit.

I am the drug for you.

I will give you something to think about with my superior intellect.

ST:Nemesis - The Last Film
1- Although it does have some good effects,the special effects of the spaceships are inferior to ILM's.

2- Why would the Romulans allow a non-Romulan to rule them?

3- In a film that cried out for some good outdoor scenes with a blue sky,we get a planet scene that is harshly tinted brown with an annoying washed out and too bright white sky. They are breathing oxygen so why not have a blue sky? A couple of moons in the sky would have established that it was a different planet.

4- Shinzon is the most charmless villian in Trek history,a peeping tom and a rapist. He looks and sounds nothing like Picard. He wants to destroy an Earth that has done nothing to him on behalf of a Romulas that enslaved him.
Previous Trek villians all had some sort of charm,Shinzon has non.

5- There is a character in the film that isn't treated with much respect.This character's security is a joke,it's shields are like glass and it's weapons are about as effective as water-pistols. The Enterprise is as important as any character in Star Trek. Weaken it and you weaken the film.

6- Shinzon allows the Enterprise a head start and yet catches up with it. How?
Picard comes from the civilised society and Shinzon comes from slavery so how come Shinzon has the superior technology?

7-The film is a dramatic cheat because it gives far too much advantage to the villian. For example,the Scimitar hits the Enterprise and it's warp drive immediately fails on the first hit. The Scimitar hits the Romulan ships and they explode or are damaged,yet when the Romulan warbird pounds the Scimitar there is no damage. Three ships hit the Scimitar and still nothing happens.
Troi locates the Scimitar and in a big scene the Enterprise furiously pounds it,yet we are told that "it's shield are still at 70%"(Oh yes,we do get to see some sparks ).
This makes the scene anti-dramatic and ruins the battle.What is the point in having the Enterprise pound Shinzon's ship if there is no damage done?
This is the big problem with the battle,if all the phaser and photon torpedo hits do no damage to the Scimitar then the audience is left feeling cheated.

8-Further examples of the dramatic cheating of this film by favouring the villian too much-
Shinzon beams troops over to the Enterprise so can Picard beam troops over to Sinzon's ship? Noooo. And what happened to the corridor forcefields that the Enterprise could have used to capture them?

When Picard is on Shinzon's ship,he smashes his rifle and drops his phaser,Shinzon of course drops nothing in the struggle with Picard.
Despite being weakened by his affliction,Shinzon "somehow" holds his own fighting Picard.
To have everything favour the villian is a dramatic cheat and again leaves the audience feeling cheated.

9- The show used to be a family show and yet we get a sex scene,a rape and an appalling scene of a man being impaled on a thick and squarish iron bar and then pulls himself along it. Why would families take their kids to see it?

10-The cold hearted killing off of Data,the innocent of Star Trek. Unlike the warm-hearted farewells to Kirk and Spock(in Generations and ST2)Data doesn't get a chance to personally say goodbye and unlike them he is completely blown to bits. There is no moving goodbye scene like the Tash Yar scene in the TV show or Spock's farewell to Kirk in ST2.
All in all,Data's death is handled in such a cold way that it ends up being a cold and flat finish to the film.


No wonder females gave this cold,harsh and dark film a miss.

After I wrote the above I had a mental schism which made me ponder the imponderable.

some of the flaws that I have found in the film.

1. Completely pointless action scenes. The Argo desert shootout served no purpose whatsoever. It certainly looked cool, but who were those guys? What were they doing in the middle of the desert with armed vehicles?

Another one was Riker vs. the Viceroy. OK, it was supposed to be the second-in-commands pitted against each other, and Riker taking revenge for Troi, but is that such a glorious act? Shouldn't the Viceroy attempt to avoid Riker and get to Picard? Why was he going into that stupid tube anyway, it didn't look like a faster way to the bridge. And WHAT was that chasm he fell into? I thought we were on the lowest deck of the ship?

2. Here we have the Remans, according to their own description, a race "bred for war". So then why does Picard, a 70-year old man shoot down dozens of them? Never gets hit? Is almost single-handedly able to escape from a ship guarded by hundreds of Remans? Only the Redshirts (or Yellowshirts in this case) get killed in the end.

3. B-4. I can accept that there is another prototype and that Shinzon found him. But why is there no mention of Lore? Why would Data copy his memories into B-4 when we know that Lore once turned against the Enterprise and wanted to destroy it?

4. How was Shinzon able to build the Scimitar? There obviously was a large Reman underground movement but how can they construct a ship that is so invincible? Where did they get the resources?

5. Just what was Shinzon's motivation in attacking Earth? The film never made that clear. Neither the Federation nor humans did anything to him. Was he trying to take revenge against those who were indirectly responsible for his creation? (Picard and the Federation). Why didn't he destroy those first who were directly responsible (the Romulans).

6. Then there are the little things that bugged me. A young Picard without hair - when we have seen him with hair in the series. Picard talking about him and Shinzon having the same heart - no they don't, Picard's got an artificial one. (They ignored that in Insurrection, too). How did Janeway make Admiral so fast? What was Wesley doing there? And some more, I don't remember everything now.

This may sound like I hate the film, I don't, but all those things make it just mediocre for me. Much more could have been made out of the Picard vs. clone story.

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Dukhat
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I am still waiting for those naked pics, Becky.

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TL;DR. Hmmm...yeah. Don't need any reminders what an epic fail POS Nemesis was and how it almost single-handedly destroyed the franchise forever. My pitifully undersized brain couldn't handle reliving the trauma all over again. .
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becky is back!!

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And Front.
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quote:
Originally posted by becky:
And Front.

Pics or it didn't happen.

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becky:
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This is the big problem with the battle,if all the phaser and photon torpedo hits do no damage to the Scimitar then the audience is left feeling cheated.
This is why I hate the Anakin vs Obi-Wan lightsaber duel in "Revenge of the Sith", hundreds of sloppy Wushu-style exchanges and it all adds up to nothing. ROTS devalued and banalized the once-powerful impression of the lightsaber, just as much as the extremely limited and volatile depictions of lightsabers in "The Force Unleashed" redeemed it. Also, blasterfire is seen as having much more momentum, recoil, and impact than in any of the prequels.

It's the same in Kung Fu movies: if a guy has a special martial arts move, it's cool as long as it's only shown twice in the whole movie. If you spam it, it becomes common and doesn't seem to help the hero out of his predicament anymore.

This is the same as the Enterprise weapons volley in the end of "Star Trek" (2009), when Kirk fires on Nero as the latter is collapsing into a black hole. There is no way to make a starship's weapons look more weak and petty than when firing them right into a gigantic spatial anomaly. Compare with the awesome effect phasers and torpedoes exhibited when fired in unison at the weak spot of the Borg cube of "First Contact". That's the point where you'd cheer in a cinema, same as when Aragorn decapitates Lurz in FOTR.

This is why I really hope the future ship battles in "Discovery" will follow the less-is-more approach of "The Force Awakens", where weapons are a last resort and using them is devastating. Don't go the STID-route and have every Starfleet hero ship beaten to within an inch of its life every time they get into trouble. Let us win for once.

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