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The other thing to consider is that the Romulans didn't seem to have much of an interest in simply destroying the ship. They mainly wanted it out of their space, one way or another. I suspect that, lacking a fancy cloak detector, the Romulans might have just escorted Enterprise out of the minefield, or given them the right course to follow. After all, they insisted Enterprise leave, not surrender. Though, if I were the Romulans, I don't know if I'd be so quick to let a ship go that could so obviously see through my hidden minefield without asking a few questions first.
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I can see that, had Enterprise been able to see through the Rom ships cloak. Seeing that Enterprise could not, the Roms probably figured it was best to just let them leave rather then face contact and the possible necessity to have to destroy them and tempt fate of another SF ship coming to look for them risking further contact or buggerin up continuity. I think a xenophobic race would rather avoid contact rather then tempt further contact. Enterprise should be counting its blessing it got out of there in one piece and not further irritate the Roms. It may be possible that it comes back to this, futher on down the line, and contact is made or an irritation is made and ultimately causes our "Earth-Romualan War".
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I liked how Hoshi heard "Romolan" - i.e. you hear of Romulus and Remus or Romolo and Remus. What is the origin of the two types of names - just translation?
So what is wrong with my suggestion that the Romulans had been forbidden cloak technology since the end of the E-R war? They could have been suprised/lollygagged at the fact that none of them would have seen Romulan cloaking before/or that it hadn't been seen in use for over 100 years or that they were shocked to see it at all? Or that the Romulans had the audacity to use their cloaks?
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Maybe Romulan cloaking technology was kept a secret by the Romulans by the war and after it? Thus most (maybe only Ent) ever see a Romulan actually cloak/uncloak?
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quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: I liked how Hoshi heard "Romolan" - i.e. you hear of Romulus and Remus or Romolo and Remus. What is the origin of the two types of names - just translation?
Whoa, whoa...you said 'Remus' twice and I dont ever recall 'Romolo' from anything before. Is that some sort of Romulan chocolate covered carmel candy??
quote: So what is wrong with my suggestion that the Romulans had been forbidden cloak technology since the end of the E-R war?
How would the Federation prevent them from building the technology? The NZ was established and obviously there was no occupation of the Rom Emp so there is no way to prevent the Romulans from creating such a device. The Treaty of Algeron forbid the Federation from creating a cloak, but that obviously didnt stop them from making it.
quote: They could have been suprised/lollygagged at the fact that none of them would have seen Romulan cloaking before/or that it hadn't been seen in use for over 100 years or that they were shocked to see it at all?
I kind of thought that once, but upon reviewing "Bal of Terr.." you really don't get that brand of shockvalue from their conversation regarding the Romulans or the cloak. The Romulans were simply a mystery.
Stiles was, at least, aware of their ship design, but I believe Spock said that cloaking was "theoretical".
Now unless you just want to go with the idea that everyone can not know everything about the practicality of cloaking technology (as perhaps they did not have access to the blueprints or technology for that matter) so therefore Spock may need to plead ignorance to a technology that is virtually or completely nonexistance to Federation science. Considering how Stiles seemed to be the only one even remotely aware of what a Romulan ship probably looks like, then information in that area seems to be sketchy.
quote: Maybe Romulan cloaking technology was kept a secret by the Romulans by the war and after it? Thus most (maybe only Ent) ever see a Romulan actually cloak/uncloak?
I highly doubt this. The Romulans certainly didnt seem to worry about the Enterprise witnessing their ships cloaking or decloaking, otherwise they would have simply decloaked on the farside of the planet and approached in a manner that would suggest they didnt have cloaking tech. All they cared about was that Enterprise got out of their system.
I think cloaking technology is the essence of the Romulans in everything we know of them, and I am sure that that is a definative advanage for them tactically, both offensively and defensively.
Once the Romulans lost the war they probably began one of their first bouts of isolation in the face of a new more powerful enemy than themselves (the Federation). They would reappear in the 2260s once they developed new, more powerful weapons, such as plasma torpedoes+cloak to test their "enemies". They formed an alliance with the Klingons along the way, did some technology swapping for a while, then went back into isolation by 2311 and became bitter enemies with the Klingons in the meantime (probably once they acquired what they needed to continue in the advance of their civilization). Finally they would reemerge in the 2360s to the rest of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants as a major force, as they once again developed a new, more powerful ships and technology.
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Perhaps a lot of SF records from the Terro-Romulan War and before were destroyed during the war? An attack on some major data repository on Earth, or something. Romulan cloaks would just be a story told by a few war veterans whom no-one believed.
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quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: I liked how Hoshi heard "Romolan" - i.e. you hear of Romulus and Remus or Romolo and Remus. What is the origin of the two types of names - just translation?
Whoa, whoa...you said 'Remus' twice and I dont ever recall 'Romolo' from anything before. Is that some sort of Romulan chocolate covered carmel candy??
HELLO! Romolo and Remus - the she-wolf... founding of Rome - ring any bells FuGu?
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Okay, I don't know anything about Italian, so those may very well be the Italian versions. But I can't see how Italian enters into it. The name are Latin, and we're speaking about them in English, so they're still "Romulus" and "Remus" either way. Or "ROMVLVS" and "REMVS" in Latin, if you prefer. Suddenly tossing the name "Romolo" about would be like if I suddenly started calling you "Andreas".
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But what I'm saying it was cute that they threw in the 'other' version of the name Romulus... that being Romolo - wether that's Italian or not. The legend of the founding of Rome has - from what I've heard had those two names - for both Romulus and Remus - interchangable.
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quote: But what I'm saying it was cute that they threw in the 'other' version of the name Romulus... that being Romolo - wether that's Italian or not. The legend of the founding of Rome has - from what I've heard had those two names - for both Romulus and Remus - interchangable.
"They" who??? Romolo is a term that has never been used in Trek lore.
Romulus and Remus are not interchangable, nor is one the 'other' version of the other, because they are not the same person. They were, indeed, twin brothers and the son of the god Mars. The she-wolf, as far as I know, had no name which contributed to the story.
Anyway, long story short, Romulus ended up killing Remus over a strife that was contrived between the two when Romulus was chosen as the new leader of Rome. The End.
Oh, and nothing, I say, nothing sir, is 'cute' about Star Trek!!
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I think what Andrew is trying to say is this:
"Romolo" is in real life a variant of "Romulus." (As "Remo" is of "Remus.")
He just thought it was slightly neat that when Hoshi first said the name of the Romulans in "Minefield," she pronounced in "Romolans." (Before being corrected by T'Pol.)
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Anyone think the Romulanese spoken sounded a little like the - admittedly only 3 words we've heard that are Romulan (apart from ship and name proper names).
The presumably very nasty Romulan swear-word "Verruul" that Riker retorts back to Jalok, in "The Defector".
and "Jolan Tru"?
I'm not too sure on Jolan Tru - but that guy talking had words sounding similart to Verruul!
Also it was very aprubpt like Klingon - evidence of more cross-cultural contamination between Klingons and Romulans over the years?
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