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I've never actually seen "Patterns of Force",but Spock in an SS uniform is a still pretty disturbing sight..
ENT has never really found it's way. The whole Xindi-arc suffered from the Delta Quadrant-syndrome: whatever happened in the Delphic Expanse had ZERO effect on the known Star Trek universe, since the whole Expanse was erased from history, and we're back to where we were at the end of season 2. Except that Archer is now a pessimistic angst-ridden captain, instead of an inept naive one.
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quote:the whole Expanse was erased from history, and we're back to where we were at the end of season 2. Except that Archer is now a pessimistic angst-ridden captain, instead of an inept naive one
Oh...I dont know about that: Enterprise has character development galore. Voyager (as example) never changed any of their characters after second season (seven of breasts being the exception).
I think Archer will lighten up a bit after they get back to "their" earth but will be wiser and more well-rounded.
Though I'm a doe-eyed optimist.
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(What I don't get: Germany winning World War II is, like, perhaps one of the most common of the Common Plots, which is itself a fine criticism, but, like, Brannon Braga invented the idea? Whatever you say. And anyway, someone should have told these aliens that they could have accomplished their goal just by not killing Edith Keeler.)
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While I avoid the "spoilers", I speculate that the aliens may not want outright victory for Germany but rather a prolonging of the war. Possibly their invasion de-railed the Manhattan Project nad humanity never develops nuclear power, never has WWII nad never gets the visit from the Vulcans years later.
-as one of many possible motivations only.
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Well, if we hadn't developed the atom bomb, the Germans surely would have. Wasn't one of the big reasons the Manhattan Project got the go-ahead that they were making alarming headway with the concept? Didn't Albert Einstein send a letter warning of this progress to President Roosevelt as early as 1940? I seem to recall reading something like that.
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That was the underlying fear, but there's serious debate as to Germany's chances. There were many factions competing for funding and Hitler's approval during the war would have gone to those that could yield quick results.
Plus, many of the top minds on the Manhattan Project would have been sent to their deaths under german rule.
Einstein's letter just gave the US military the kick in the ass it needed to proceed with what must have been considered (by many in the US military) as a waste of time and money.
From a story POV, Germany developing the bomb first may have led to nuclear anihilation years later- that humanity would not recover from.
Thus- the Aliens win!
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@all: Sorry about the late reaponse. I�ve been pretty busy during the last weeks.
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quote:And that's exactly the problem. They're using the Nazis as entertainment, while they should be used as in an historical perspective.
@Harry: That�s exactly the problem with these episodes.
quote:Well, if we hadn't developed the atom bomb, the Germans surely would have.
@The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Does anyone still believe that shit? The plans for the German nuke were abandoned when the project was still in its early stage. The whole story of the ongoing research was only used for propaganda reasons.
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Actually, it was abandoned because of the Telemach (not sure if this is right) commando raid which destroyed the Nazi stocks of heavy water (or something- it's been ages since I saw the program). And one of the reasons the Soviets were so determined to get to Berlin first and so ruthless in their advance was because of a desire to get their hands on German nuclear research. It's still highly unlikely that the Third Reich could have developed a nuke without significant additional resources (aliens!!)
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And for the record, Season Three is not Shakespeare. It's just a rather drawn out story with a predictive ending (the ugly aliens are evil, wake me up when Earth is saved and we can get back to business).
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Well, this is getting deeply philisophical. On which note, I'm now off to university so may not be around for a week or so. Have fun!
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