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"Clearly"? I don't think we ever saw more than about 5 or 6 Klingons together at once, did we?
And even if we do assume that the invasion force numbered in the thousands, that's still a tiny percentage of their total population. Plus there could be additional reasons why the only Klingons Kirk ever met were smooth headed (perhaps they became dominant in the military, or some such).
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I challenge anyone to prove that the Tellarites have ever been described as a "major" Federation species outside of idle speculation from the 1970s.
(Not that I'd have any objection to showing them as such. But this is one of those things that people include within their own, uh, personal Star Trek view with seemingly little prompting from the show itself.)
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Yeah. And it's basically been a given ever since the Star Trek Technical Manual (or possibly earlier). There was never any reason to disagree with those early speculations.
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But, as Simon said, there was never any reason to agree with them either. There has been one mention of them in the context of them being a major race in 38 years That hardly counts as defintive proof (and if you wanted to be picky, it wouldn't be that hard to argue that Terrarites don't come from Tellar).
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Tellarites were prominant enough to be represented on admitting Corridan to the Federation (TOS Journey to Babel).
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quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: But, as Simon said, there was never any reason to agree with them either. There has been one mention of them in the context of them being a major race in 38 years That hardly counts as defintive proof (and if you wanted to be picky, it wouldn't be that hard to argue that Terrarites don't come from Tellar).
You're right, the Terrarites probably come from Terrar.
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Well, traditionally, there are five founding members. Andor, Tellar, Vulcan, Earth and Alpha Centauri. Classic fandom has AC inhabited by Centaurians (some transplanted ancient Greeks or something). Canon has Alpha Centauri as an Earth colony. Extremely obscure semi-canon even has this colony (now independent) as a founding member of the Federation.
Err.. why are we talking about this?
We have to talk about KLINGON FOREHEADS. And Rigelians. But mostly about foreheads. Of Klingons.
They are going to dedicate 40 minutes of Star Trek to a forehead appliance.
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How about an angle on the bi-racial thing. What if there WHERE two races on Q'onos, like Earth's Humans and Neanderthals. what if, maybe, Khaless was of the Neanderthal race and now, smooth headed klingons have plastic surgery, as infants, to maintain the appearance of the ideal warrior, so they don't get laughed at in school.
Just as circumcision gains and loses popularity, maybe the augmentation lost favor, in the TOS era.
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quote:Originally posted by TheWoozle: How about an angle on the bi-racial thing. What if there WHERE two races on Q'onos, like Earth's Humans and Neanderthals. what if, maybe, Khaless was of the Neanderthal race and now, smooth headed klingons have plastic surgery, as infants, to maintain the appearance of the ideal warrior, so they don't get laughed at in school.
Just as circumcision gains and loses popularity, maybe the augmentation lost favor, in the TOS era.
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.......who were smooth in TOS, and then, maybe, got their foreheads augmented after that when it became favourable again. In any case, why don't we all just shut up and hold our comments until they canonize something in Affliction??
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quote:Originally posted by Sol System: I challenge anyone to prove that the Tellarites have ever been described as a "major" Federation species outside of idle speculation from the 1970s.
(Not that I'd have any objection to showing them as such. But this is one of those things that people include within their own, uh, personal Star Trek view with seemingly little prompting from the show itself.)
quote:Originally posted by Harry: Well, traditionally, there are five founding members. Andor, Tellar, Vulcan, Earth and Alpha Centauri.
Come on. His post was, what, 6 posts above yours? Surely you can't have forgotten it already?
In any event, I'm not sure that Tellerites voting in "Journey to Babel" is any indication of whether they were a founding member anyway. Unless we're saying that only the founding members of the Federation get a say in who joins up or not (which seems a bit elitest).
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