The Pre-E itself I like.

(Dodges the rotten fruit thrown in his direction)

It's the registry number that is getting me.

NX-01.

First of all, NX-01 should be the Dauntless. No ifs, ands, or buts. And don't give me that "The Dauntless was a fake, so we can't go by that" garbage. Somebody on the Voyager crew would surely have realized something was amiss with the registry number if it had been wrong.

But wait, folks, that's not all!

In the TV Guide interview, Berman states that Archer has been a Starfleet officer for 15 years. Shoving aside the entire "Did Starfleet exist before the Federation" debate, should not NX-01 be the first Starfleet ship? From the sound of the interview, there were other (though slower) starships before the Pre-E.

1) Starfleet is comprised of morons for thinking up a whacked out scheme like this.

2) The Voyager crew is comprised of morons for failing to notice it.

3) The writers are morons for not going with a *new*, feasible numbering scheme, and giving us something the fans would theorhetically identify more with.

Take your pick. The easiest answer is two, if you ask me.

"The Akira looks cool - lets just use that and stick a bunch of Phoenix-like stuff on it, screw it, who cares anyway, we're in it to make loads of bucks, Roddenberry's dead, and HIS vision died with him, so who gives a F**k.

On the subject of the reg:
I have two HUGE problems with it.

ONE: It implies experimental status which is all wrong because we'll now have an Enterprise-class which is ridiculous because with all the history we've had on ships called Enterprise, don't you think we'd have heard of one that got it's own class, and furthermore was also the first ship in Starfleet???

TWO: (Oh, slap me if you want to gripe about studio policy!) It contradicts the fact that The Animated Series establishes the S.S. Bonaventure to be the first Starfleet ship equipped with warp drive.

This is the old Bonaventure. Now THAT'S a proper pre-TOS looking ship. It should have been along these lines that the Pre-E was designed.

Here's a size comparrison with the 1701.

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Originally posted by The Red Admiral:
Berman, Braga - bastards. They don't give a flying s**t about everything. "The Akira looks cool - lets just use that and stick a bunch of Phoenix-like stuff on it, screw it, who cares anyway, we're in it to make loads of bucks, Roddenberry's dead, and HIS vision died with him, so who gives a F**k.

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As a very wise man once said, "When one runs out of coherent arguments, one resorts to petty name-calling. It is truly the last act of a desperate man."

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(Sorry, I've studied the new Enterprise, and as such am in a state of complete anger and dismay. But when you've studied, followed and reacted to Trek universe with utter precision and adoration for 25 years, you kinda feel like you've been kicked in the teeth when you see something like this)

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I hate to burst your bubble, but Star Trek is far from something that can be precisely followed. If you believe in this strict adherence, how the hell could you could have made it through Star Trek this far?

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ONE: It implies experimental status which is all wrong because we'll now have an Enterprise-class which is ridiculous because with all the history we've had on ships called Enterprise, don't you think we'd have heard of one that got it's own class, and furthermore was also the first ship in Starfleet???

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Originally posted by Mark Nguyen:
2) The Voyager crew is comprised of morons for failing to notice it.

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Take your pick. The easiest answer is two, if you ask me.

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Another possibility is that the Voyager crew simply didn't care what the registry was. They had been stranded in the Delta Quadrant for years; are they really going to quibble about Starfleet's latest registry scheme when they could be trying to slipstream home?

But to be fair, I like my US Aircraft Cariers, and I haven't a clue what ship the CV-1 was back in WWII, if that ship existed *in* WWII. That could have been what we're looking at here.