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But still, for an animal to be built like that?
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In Roman times, the rhinoceros & the giraffe were considered bizarre oddities created by Jove as a drunken lark. Look at some of the other deep-sea creatures that still amaze people to this day.
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Again, note the math. Two Volvos per inch. If it can bear that much weight over such a large area, I'd be surprised if anything short of a nuclear device would make much of a dent.
Think of it this way: If you slingshot rocks at a car, what are the chances you're going to penetrate the outer shell & damage the inside enough to stop it?
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quote:Originally posted by Shik:
quote:Originally posted by Daniel Butler: The wiki says that Abrams has said the thing was asleep for thousands of years in the Mid-Atlantic Rift or something (it said "rift," there's only one in the Atlantic that I know of...and nothing is that freaking tough. I don't care if it has diamond-titanium skin. After all those soldiers with assault rifles, tanks, fighter jets, and *B-2's dropping MOABs,* it would be *toast.*
Dude, let me explain something to you. At a depth of 2 & a half miles, the equivalent water pressure is 5880 pounds per square inch; for a visual example, imagine two Volvos sitting on just your big toe. At 10,000 feet down, a Styrofoam coffee cup gets compressed to the size of a thimble. Now, there are many organisms that reside at those depths, & the larger they are, the squishier they are usually--the 40-foot giant squid, for example. Now, for something with the rigidity of the Cloverfield monster to survive intact at those depths, at those pressures, & not be compressed it would have to have an outer casing with at LEAST the same properties as the Mir submersibles' 5-cm-thick nickel/steel pressure sphere...& that's 1987 technology.
......Which was rather my *point*.....it isn't going to feel a little satellite dropping on its head, by the time the satellite gets to the bottom, if it could somehow hypothetically survive the descent ("it" being the satellite, not the monster). Also, you might want to look into the concussive pressures generated by a MOAB. Not to mention if it could be that rigid and survive those pressures it should die of decompression at sea level.
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/me casts Summon Kuddle Kittens Three on thread.
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/me bounces your Kuddle Kitten with a Decree of Silence
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quote:Originally posted by Daniel Butler: ......Which was rather my *point*.....it isn't going to feel a little satellite dropping on its head, by the time the satellite gets to the bottom, if it could somehow hypothetically survive the descent ("it" being the satellite, not the monster).
Hey, not everyone is a heavy sleeper.
quote:Also, you might want to look into the concussive pressures generated by a MOAB. Not to mention if it could be that rigid and survive those pressures it should die of decompression at sea level.
We don't know the biology of the thing. It might have a pressure system built-in.In fact, if it's as amphibious as I've heard, then it would damn well have to.
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I dunno. Maybe I'm taking my disgust with the plot a bit too far and spilling it onto the monster.
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quote:Originally posted by Daniel Butler: /me bounces your Kuddle Kitten with a Decree of Silence
Ya know, in the hey day of my RP play of Millia on ALFA, some folks would have killed for that to be cast on her... or at least a permancied 'Comprehend Languages'?
Nobody save JenWa or maybe Dara was bright enough to yell at Millia to explain things in Elvish
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The real issue is not the creatures ability to survive at extreme depth, but it's abilty to come to the surface and go on a city destroying rampage.
If it's terrestrial (well from earth I mean, as it obviously came from the sea), it's probably mostly water - water is fairly incompressable, so the whole livng at the bottom of the sea thing does not mean that it has to be armour plated etc: a styrofoam cup shrinks to the size of an (almost) unexpanded styrofoam cup, as in, the styrofoam containing no air - that's whats compressed, the air, not the styrofoam (allthough obviously at such pressure it will be pressed into a very rigid mass).
The armour would be nessecary to support the huge weight of the creature on land, not at the bottom of the ocean. Of course, the creature seems to be huge enough that it might just have a tough and thick enough hide, or even some sort of exoskeletal structure that allows it to surivive being shot at, blown up, bombed and so forth. It's just not very likely, I think, given the amount of punishment thrown its way.
The other thing is of course how the creature breathes - as I said before any air filled cavities at great depth are a no-no, so it must either be able to expell all of the air before it takes a dip, or it has gills or something, and is able to go long periods before it repleneshes it's oxygen supply (unlikely given it's size), or it's amphibian, and can do both.
By the way, given that this is the Enterprise forum, aren't we getting a little off track. I know Cloverfield had the Trek 11 trailer tacked on to it, but this is pushing it fellas.
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Heh, the point was too get a new forum made, decommision ENT and me get the last word!
but you can blame me for driving the topic bus funny like, dear...
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Yes, given that the point was to demolish the ENT forum, maybe getting off track is perfect
Although I'd love to see what Enterprise's pitiful little spatial torpedoes would do to that monster. Probably less than those soldiers' M16s.
Oh man, that story bothers me, because it's getting so much attention. CNN even had a whole segment about it. Apparently the attention is because they don't know yet where it will land... Yeah, well, they will when the time comes, and if it's gonna fall on a populated area they'll shoot it down.
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