2. Why the hell was a lone Klingon chased to EARTH, of all friggin' places!?
3. [Insert prejudiced rant here]
Oh, look father; over yonder horizon comes one of Geoffrey's ships from the Spice Islands! It is doubtless laden with salt - let us take it!
------------------ At that point, McDonald fired his gun three times in the air to emphasize his point. The crowd, estimated at 350,000, loudly cheered the new candidate.
"Let me make this clear: I am the law! I am your ruler! And you will have fries with that, motherf*cker!"
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Alright - assuming this is accurate, my opinion of the concept is much improved. The focus on a particular star system (ours) is something that hasn't been done since the early seasons of DS9, and one part of Trek that I actually have missed. Being able to watch the evolution of a species after First Contact will also be intriguing to watch - providing that we can see this and avoid the typical exploration themes we see in Trek, which are great but very strained after three series.
I'm still dreadfully afraid of how they're gonna much up the timeline, since Paramount ahs the worst track record for it. This one doesn't seem to be THAT bad, but over seven years we're bound to see a lot of mistakes.
Mark
------------------ "Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
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Most notably that Klingon First Contact seems to have moved up by a few decades
I don't think we're goint to focus on a single system as much as DS9 did. We might spend more time in Sol then TNG, TOS, or VOY (especially VOY), but not as much time as DS9 did in Bajor, I think
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Actually, ironically enough VOY had more Earth-featured episodes than any of the other series...
But still, having a series taht is at least partially based at Earth (or *any* regular base of operations)will be interesting. In that sense, it's almost the antithesis of DS9 (about a ship with a base, instead of about a base with a ship) and something that wouldn't have been one before.
Mark
------------------ "Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
Though I would point out that I seem to recall suggesting something like this over a year ago.
A maximum speed of warp four works out to 64 times the speed of light on the old scale. That means that it'd take three and a half weeks to go from here to Alpha Centauri. I hope they fix that. Warp five would take nearly two weeks. Warp six, a week. Perhaps there's an inordinate amount of showtime between episodes? Or perhaps we have a number of bottle shows? Or perhaps we run into wormholes, or get technological upgrades from the Vulcans?
I also wonder, did they use stardates before the founding of the Federation?
I like the concept. It goes more the way of Earth: Final Conflict. It can explore how humanity is reacting to its first contact with an alien species, and how it deals with others. How does it change our lives?
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Sounds interesting, but given that we still don't have an official announcement about Series V, I'm just treating this as a rumor. However, I do have some thoughts on it...
1) If this takes place 5 to 10 years before the Federation exists, we should see part or all of the Romulan Wars.
2) The Suliban... Interesting concept, but if they were so involved in the early days of the Federation, why haven't we heard of them or seen them before? Did they get wiped out? What we might be seeing is a "Fall of the Roman Empire" effect, given the timeframe this is supposed to take place in. The Germanic tribes were invading the Roman Empire because they themselves were being driven from their traditional homes by invaders from Asia. Perhaps the Suliban are invading known space at this time because they are fleeing from an expanding Romulan Empire...
3) The appearance of Klingons. Berman has made it perfectly clear that continuity from TOS does not mean as much to him as continuity from the newer series, but given that the smooth/bumpy forehead thing was dealt with (well, sort of ) on DS9, I'm betting we'll see smooth forehead Klingons.
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The only breaches of continuity thus far, as I see it anyway, is the moving-forward of the transporter and the Klingon first contact. The date of the invention of the transporter has always been pretty much Okudan speculation, and aside from the date given for transporter psychosis in "Realm of Fear" we have no unbreachable canonical early limit for it.
Klingon first contact was nailed down to the early years of the 23rd century by "First Contact," but I saw "Alliances" last night and it referred to "200 years of hostility with the Klingons," IIRC. If final and lasting peace with the Klingons didn't come till Narendra III, that number would be indicative of First Contact within a few decades of the 2150s, which isn't so bad after all. To be blunt, I think I'm with Braga on this one. It's one line of dialogue, and that shouldn't stop the writers from exploring a well-known and well-loved group like the Klingons.
Here's hoping they bring back the term UESPA to refer to the Pre-Starfleet Earth organization in charge of the Enterprise.
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Oh, and its very possible the Suliban are still around in the 24th century... I mean, look how often we've seen races that are Federation members, for Chrissakes, a hundred years after TOS. Tellarites, anyone? Andorians? Orions? Tholians? Yes, the odd throwaway line, but nothing of substance. Having the Suliban eventually absorbed into the Federation as members and then having them "disappear" Tellarite-style is not at all out of keeping with the precedent set by Roddenberry.
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Perhaps we have already seen a Suliban without noticing. Just think about the endless amount of unnamed alien species seen in the background on DS9 for example.
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*can't get the theme from "The Sullivans" out of my head now*
The transporter shouldn't be there, IMO. Even warp capable civilizations far in advance of 22nd Century Earth (eg the Vidiians) didn't have it, so why would a bunch of holocaust survivors that accidentally madde First Contact, even 50 years after it happened. (unless the Vulcans lent a hand, which going by the above doesn['t seem that likely)
------------------ At that point, McDonald fired his gun three times in the air to emphasize his point. The crowd, estimated at 350,000, loudly cheered the new candidate.
"Let me make this clear: I am the law! I am your ruler! And you will have fries with that, motherf*cker!"
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) on DS9, I'm betting we'll see smooth forehead Klingons.
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