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Interesting side-note: The seem to be at least two types of Warbirds, since one of them was called 'Class-B' by the Enterprise's resident nitpicker (aka Data).
Since a D'deridex is about twice the size of a GCS, I'd think it is a serious threat to any Fed ship. Perhaps the best chances are for Defiants and Intrepids (which singlehandedly can destroy the entire Collective...*sigh*). Another point in favor of the Warbird is the sheer number of them. Even on non-vital missions, there are several of these huge vessels.
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Er, sheer number? We've never seen more than three or four of the things onscreen at any one time, even during the last episodes of DS9.
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HALON: According to some books that I've read and other Internet stuff the impression is given that the Romulan Warbird is more powerful than a Galaxy. The only problem is that they are so big and take a long time to build that only so many can be in active service. Also, with requiring more crew, the Romulans can only afford to maintain so many of them.
Check out: http://www.ditl.org/ - the site covers a lot of actual facts and canon about ships in the Star Trek universe and has a few pictures too. This particular site guesses that the Romulans only had 785 Warbirds with the rest of their fleet being made up of smaller ships. Compared to Starfleet's 9,000-odd fleet, that's not many. With so many having been lost in the Dominion War (about 42% of those 785), the Romulan fleet is not quite as threatening as it once was.
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As well as the Borg threat, it's my opinion that the Feds began building more advanced and offensive ships to answer the quite relevant Romulan threat, as the Galaxy class, the so called flagship class would in many cases have come off second best in a one-on-one with a Warbird. So we now see the likes of many more Defiants, Akiras, and the new Soveriegn. It was indeed interesting to see those two Defiant and one Akira class ships take on three Romulan warbirds in 'Message in a Bottle', and win.
I doubt tho that a lone Interpeid would stand much of a chance. In my book the Intrepid can be no more than a Medium Cruiser insofar as a hardware designation goes.
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I know that the defiant and akira class ships are powerful indeed,but to take on 3 warbirds and win? my friends...cough(bullshit)cough. I think thats more of the writing of the producers cause the good guy no matter how out gunned and out numbered doesnt lose..cause there wouldnt be a show if that happend. But thats my own opinion. What do the rest yall think about it?
And how do you put your quote at the bottom of the reply? Im new at this please bear with me on it till i catch on.
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sorry i didn't mean crap-don't get me wrong it took time and effort to come up with that site.
but...alot of the statistics and general fleet # presented there is biased toward the feds and carries not any more credibilty as someone else making another site stating there were 2000 warbirds.
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I looked at the site,besides some technical stuff that may be indifferent to other species some of it was useful.Some of my friends had a hard(really hard)time believing that the warbird was twice the size of the galaxy..and still made the sovereign look kinda tiny..well sure ass shit i proved it to them.lets say I made them my bitches for the rest of the night cause we had a bet going. They swore up and down that they were near to equal size. I couldnt help but bet a a couple beers on it.
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Can someone please tell me Harry's comment about the Intrepid and the Borg up there is NOT "Endgame"-related? That would really help in keeping me from ripping his head off.
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Nope, that was just a reference to things like Voyager destroying a fancy 'Class Four Tactical Cube', whereas an entire Federation *fleet* can't destroy one standard cube. IIRC, Voyager destroyed multiple Cubes in history.
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The only reason that 2 Defiants and an Akira won against 3 Warbirds is because the good guys always have to win. The writers put in what is called "deus ex machina". In other words, they were lazy.
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This is the reason why the Federation won that battle against the Romulans in Message ina Bottle:
The Akira, Defiants and three Prometheus sections fired on one warbird and destroyed it. Quite obviously.
That left two (or three) Warbirds against one Akira Class starship, two Defiant class ships, and three equally powerful Prometheus sections. So in simple terms the Romulans thought to themselves, "hmm, okay then", and made a swift retreat.
This wasn't lazy writing it was highly plausible. And remember, this was the first time ever that a warbird had been destroyed by Starfleet forces on screen.
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It does seem possible that this is what happened, and perhaps the Romulans also wanted to avoid any further possibility of a very serious interstellar incident. I mean, if the Federation didn't have their hands full with the Dominion at the time, they may very well have declared war against the Romulans for pulling that stunt, ie a hostile takeover of a Federation ship and the murder of her crew. Talk about audacity. The Romulans are also known to be somewhat reluctant in over committing themselves, so perhaps that's another reason for their retreat.
Going briefly back to one of Harry's points, I know no information on any other type of Warbird other than the D'deridex, or 'Type-B' as Starfleet designates it. It's possible that a 'Type-A' was an older warbird variation from earlier in the century, and the new, more powerful version was then classes as the 'Type-B'.
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cause we had a bet going. They swore up and down that they were near to equal size. I couldnt help but bet a a couple beers on it.
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