I don't know about anybody else, but I am including them in my canon ship section. Ten years ago I don't think I would have said these design are pretty, but today they definately have more appeal than some of the ships we've seen.
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No kidding. Those designs are a hell of alot better than ships like the Freedom, Nigiria, and *shudders* the Challenger.
Another thing about the Franz Joseph Tech Manual is that two of the scouts listed were mentioned by name and registry (the Revere and the Columbia IIRC) in the radio chatter at the begining of ST:TMP. Someone told me the dreadnought USS Entente was also mentioned in the radio chatter but I haven't been able to catch this.
With the DVDs of TWOK and TSFS can anyone post clearer images of the screens with the FJTM ships?
quote:Originally posted by akb1979: Freedom- and Challenger-class starships! There are pictures of those? Where? I've been looking for them for ages!
Go to Mr. Christopher's link. Read them and weep. Weep really hard.
The truth is that I really wouldn't mind the Niagara or Challenger at all if it weren't for the fact that the warp engines are so disproportionately large. If Okuda simply scalled down the warp engines a little bit, I would have liked both designs very much!
Sorry about the double post, I accidentally hit the 'add reply' before I was done.
The following info has been taken directly from the Tech Manual for the various films:
1. Scout U.S.S. Columbia, NCC-621 (Mentioned in Epsilon IX radio chatter in TMP. The Manual calls this Cygnus-class, but that's not in the film.)
2. Scout U.S.S. Revere, NCC-595 (Also mentioned in TMP radio chatter. Manual calls it a Hermes-class, but it isn't said in the film to be of that class.)
3. Dreadnought U.S.S. Entente, NCC-2120 (This too was heard in the Epsilon IX radio chatter in TMP. The thing is, it's very faint and you can only hear it if you listen very closely. It's sort of behind the rest of the chatter, like background noise for the background noise! Also, you may not be able to hear it if you have the 'Special, Longer Version' of the film, as I think some have said it was later dubbed out. The Manual calls it Federation-class, and a design is pictured, but sadly, none of that is in the film. )
4. The aforementioned TWOK display ships: a. Saladin-class destroyer U.S.S. Saladin, NCC-500 b. Hermes-class scout U.S.S. Hermes, NCC-585 c. Ptolemy-class transport/tug U.S.S. Ptolemy, NCC-3801
Personally, I think nothing should be written down about this. Yes, we know that it is an exact copy of the sheets from the manual, BUT, since we can't see it clearly, for all we know, the production crew slightly edited a number or a name here and there to possibly make an injoke (I.E. USS Alka-Celsior). Therefore, to be quite honest, the only think we can really get for sure out of those things is that those design's existed, but registries, names, etc. I believe all cannot be considered canon (unless someone has a DAMNED good close up of that monitor)
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