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Fabrux
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How can you call a beauiful classic design like that ugly?

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I don't know about anybody else, but I am including them in my canon ship section. Ten years ago I don't think I would have said these design are pretty, but today they definately have more appeal than some of the ships we've seen.
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No kidding. Those designs are a hell of alot better than ships like the Freedom, Nigiria, and *shudders* the Challenger.
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You mean "Niagara"?

I like the Saladin, though I think the Ptolemy could've been worked out a little better.

The Saladin is exactly the same as the Freedom except it uses Connie parts instead of Galaxy. I didn't like either of those at first, but they're both growin' on me.


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If youwant schematics of these refitted classes, check out "Ships of the Starfleet" or my own "Starfleet Dynamics".

If you want them to appear of screen -you may have a long wait.

Also - don't forget that a Scout-class vessel (Columbia?) was mentioned during overheard subspace traffic during STMP.

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How do I check out your own starfleet dynamics? I'm pretty sure that Ships of Stafleet doesn't have any diagrams of the Saladin refit class.
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Another thing about the Franz Joseph Tech Manual is that two of the scouts listed were mentioned by name and registry (the Revere and the Columbia IIRC) in the radio chatter at the begining of ST:TMP. Someone told me the dreadnought USS Entente was also mentioned in the radio chatter but I haven't been able to catch this.

With the DVDs of TWOK and TSFS can anyone post clearer images of the screens with the FJTM ships?

Thanks


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akb1979
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Freedom- and Challenger-class starships! There are pictures of those? Where? I've been looking for them for ages!

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Fabrux
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Check out this page for pictures of the Freedom and Challenger et al

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/wolf359.htm

Personally, I like most of these ships.

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The Mighty Monkey of Mim
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So far, the following information has been taken directly from the Tech. Manual for various films:

1. Scout U.S.S. Columbia, NCC-621


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quote:
Originally posted by akb1979:
Freedom- and Challenger-class starships! There are pictures of those? Where? I've been looking for them for ages!


Go to Mr. Christopher's link. Read them and weep. Weep really hard.

The truth is that I really wouldn't mind the Niagara or Challenger at all if it weren't for the fact that the warp engines are so disproportionately large. If Okuda simply scalled down the warp engines a little bit, I would have liked both designs very much!

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The Mighty Monkey of Mim
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Sorry about the double post, I accidentally hit the 'add reply' before I was done.

The following info has been taken directly from the Tech Manual for the various films:

1. Scout U.S.S. Columbia, NCC-621
(Mentioned in Epsilon IX radio chatter in TMP.
The Manual calls this Cygnus-class, but
that's not in the film.)

2. Scout U.S.S. Revere, NCC-595
(Also mentioned in TMP radio chatter. Manual
calls it a Hermes-class, but it isn't said in
the film to be of that class.)

3. Dreadnought U.S.S. Entente, NCC-2120
(This too was heard in the Epsilon IX radio
chatter in TMP. The thing is, it's very faint
and you can only hear it if you listen very
closely. It's sort of behind the rest of the
chatter, like background noise for the
background noise! Also, you may not be able
to hear it if you have the 'Special, Longer
Version' of the film, as I think some have said
it was later dubbed out. The Manual calls it
Federation-class, and a design is pictured, but
sadly, none of that is in the film. )

4. The aforementioned TWOK display ships:
a. Saladin-class destroyer U.S.S. Saladin,
NCC-500
b. Hermes-class scout U.S.S. Hermes, NCC-585
c. Ptolemy-class transport/tug U.S.S. Ptolemy,
NCC-3801


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Has the Ptolemy class actually been seen on screen? So far only screen caps of the Saladin have been posted.
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Personally, I think nothing should be written down about this. Yes, we know that it is an exact copy of the sheets from the manual, BUT, since we can't see it clearly, for all we know, the production crew slightly edited a number or a name here and there to possibly make an injoke (I.E. USS Alka-Celsior). Therefore, to be quite honest, the only think we can really get for sure out of those things is that those design's existed, but registries, names, etc. I believe all cannot be considered canon (unless someone has a DAMNED good close up of that monitor)

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quote:
4. The aforementioned TWOK display ships:
a. Saladin-class destroyer U.S.S. Saladin,
NCC-500
b. Hermes-class scout U.S.S. Hermes, NCC-585
c. Ptolemy-class transport/tug U.S.S. Ptolemy,
NCC-3801

As Harry wrote, it's the Saladin on these displays. So the Hermes NCC-585 is still non-canon.

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