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The359
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Also, I forgot to add, I also listed Revere, Columbia, and Entente on my list, and I know for a fact they said 2120 on there (I listened to that damn thing SO much...). I don't know if the copy I currently own has it or not (it's the widescreen version).

I can check TWOK right now, see if I can get anything good from it.

hmmm...anyone notice how effing BIG the Kobayashi Maru is for only being a fuel carrier? 147,000+ Metric Tonnes. Yet it's only 237m in length and 111m wide. What's the tonnage on the Enterprise?

Also, the Hermes is there. The 1st screen is the top view of the Saladin, the 2nd screen is the side and front of Saladin, the 3rd screen is top of the Hermes, 4th screen is side and front of Hermes, 5th screen is top of Ptolemy, and then it ends.

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You do that. It would be soooo sweet if we can find proof that the dreadnought is cannon....
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Matt: Yes, well, we could just say that she's carrying heavy fuel and that tonnage is fully loaded.

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The USS Enterprise is close to a million tons. ("Mudd's Women")

As for the USS Entente, the ship has been removed from the dialogue of the Epsilon 9 exterior shots. I first noticed this in 1991 with the release of the widescreen version of The Motion Picture on video. In the place of this dialogue, there is added dialogue for the Columbia and Revere. I think this is the version that Mr. Okuda has. In his ship list, he lists every starship mentioned by name. A notable exception is the USS Entente. This starship is omitted from the list.


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Franz Joseph gives the displacement of Enterprise as around 200,000 tons. The 147,000 for Kobayashi Maru seems about right based on that figure. Of course, if you believe the DS9 Tech Manual, ships in the 24th century are about 10 times more dense (weight per unit volume). My calculations show that with a weight of 200,000 tons, Enterprise is slightly less dense than water, which is similar to the density of surface ships.

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Somebody wanted to see the screencaps, so here they are in all their glory:

http://w1.314.telia.com/~u31412332/startrek/ships2.htm

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quote:
the 3rd screen is top of the Hermes, 4th screen is side and front of Hermes

Do you have screenshots of them?

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The front and side shot were the only ones shown, I can┤t seem to remember any other shots. These are the only ones I┤ve got.

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AARRGGHH!!!

Searching for any info on the as of now close-to-canon Hermes, Saladin, Ptolemy, Cygnus and Federation classes is giving me a headache! Are there any Fandom-wizards around here? Technophyle perhaps?

Here's what I understand of it:

The Hermes class scout is introduced in 2224 (I personally would put that a little later, with the Constitution being the first class to use the familiar Constitution parts).

A batch of these Hermes ships is rebuilt to Cygnus class scouts in 2245, which supposedly looks like this:

The Saladin Class of destroyers is also built in 2245 (but they seem to have nothing to do with the Hermes production??). Supposedly these ships were "TMP'ed" in 2269.

The Federation class dreadnought was produced in small numbers from 2255. Supposedly upgraded TMP-style in 2275.

The Ptolemy is a tug/tranporter and was supposedly launched from 2224 (what is up with this date!?). Supposedly updated to something called the Moncrief class (a TMP version of the Ptolemy) as early as 2267.

But since Fandom and Co. are as always notoriously non-canon, I did all this work for nothing .

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quote:
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Can you think about how cool those ships would look if they got the same type of refit that the Enterprise got?

There are/were a few games in which the E-nil-rifit look was applied to those classesm including the Federation class dreadnought. Nice.


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Harry. Where did you get that pic?? That ship is butt ugly.

You know. I once made a small simple kitbash of a TMPed Saladin. It looked very cool!


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I don't know if anyone has twigged yet but we have seen a refit saladin/hermes.
Most likely somewhere in DS9 "A Time to Stand"

Not clicked yet? there is a diagram of it in the DS9 Tech manual.

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Many of the diagrams seen in the Tech Manual were never seen on screen nor were models ever built for them. They were simply made up.

I think the last scratchbuilds we got in DS9 where the Curry Class and the Yeager Class kit bashes.

The effects people simply didn't have the time or money to build new stuff.

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Hm... Both the Saladin and Hermes top views were shown, after all. Look at Fitz's links back on the first page of this thread. That top view is the Saladin. You can tell from the length of the word "destroyer" at the top of the display. In pIn'a Sov's more recent link, the top view he lists as the Saladin is actually the Hermes, as evidenced by the shorter word "scout" at the top.
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There are still a few unidentified ships in the background of the season 6 opening shot.
some or at least one of them could be a Frankie-fleet ship. Infact I'm convinced that one of them is the Runabout style proto-voyager.

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