quote:(yikes, they must have restored the Saratoga-modification to the original configuration for just that one weeny shot)
They didn't. Although the Lantree and the Brattain were re-uses of the original Reliant model, the Saratoga was an all-new model built specifically for "Emissary." Actually, there were several Saratogas built for the ep, each one blown apart by the VFX guys until they got one to blow up just the way they wanted it to for the scene. I know this because I saw a documentary on the making of "Emissary." You can also see that the detail on the Saratoga model has subtle differences from the Reliant.
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If I recall, Reverend, the Grissom mentioned in "Field of Fire" had 1,210 people on it,and only 5 survived when it was destroyed. If it's the Excelsior, than that's a lot of people for that class of ship. Maybe it was transporting people or something. That brings up another point: why didn't they offload Jennifer and Jake Sisko from the Saratoga bafore going into battle at Wolf 359? Why have civilians on board when you know you're going to fight the Borg?
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Could it be that the Saratoga during the combat scenes was the modified version of the Reliant, while the exploding scene was a new model that could be blown up?
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That would make sense. It's what they did for "Cause and Effect".
You know, I can't remember how the Saratoga exploded, but I thought it was the old "overlay the explosion on top so we don't have to damage the model" type explosion. Did it actually blow apart?
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A few years ago, Discovery used to show a program called Movie Magic. One of the episodes dealt with the special effects for DS9's "Emissary." Here's how the Saratoga's explosion was done:
The effects crew under Rob Legato (I believe, it has been a while) made three models of the Saratoga. These were hollow and of lesser quality construction than the actual filming miniature. These models were loaded with explosion packets, flame packs, and primacord. The Saratoga was hung from the rafters of a warehouse so that the bow pointed to the ceiling. A high speed camera was set up under the model pointing up at the aft of the Saratoga (there was maybe five to ten feet between the two). The model was exploded as the camera rolled. It took all three models to get the explosion just right.
As for the Saratoga still having some civilians on-board, it was a mad-dash effort to just get the 40 ships are so that were at Wolf 359. If the Saratoga was on patrol and got the message to immediately report to Wolf 359, she probably wouldn't have had time to offload the civilians at a nearby starbase or planet.
As for the Grissom, I don't know. I've always assuming that she was transporting troops, too.
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By the way, for whoever (if anyone) is going to do the screen captures during the Sector 001 fight scene in First Contact, here's a picture of the aft part of the ship targetemployee's talking about (look in the top right corner):
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I still own a copy of that episode, so if it needs to be checked for anything...
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So is there a conclusion as to the FC Miranda? And what is that starship in the upper left with the Borg tractor beam? Ain't look nuthin' like mine eyes ever saw.
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That is the Akira Class USS Thunderchild. As for the Miranda Class, it maybe the CGI model that ILM made for the scene which needed background ships. And the Defiant was not a CGI version, it was the physical model itself. The damage on the Defiant was CGI, which is stated in the TNG Movie Sketch Book. Besides, have you seen Foundation Imaging's CGI Nebula Class? Go to their website and look in the gallery.
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I don't think that's the Thunderchild, Mike, but it is an Akira class. You'll remember that the Akira was seen later firing on the Borg cube, and the one in the tractor beam was destroyed. Just watched that scene, and saw that the Miranda had no visible name or registry. If it did, it was very small. One would wonder, (off the topic) how Admiral Hayes escaped the destruction of his ship. Escape pod? they made it seem like he was killed.
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