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TSN
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Well, I've just seen "Day of the Dove", and it seems to be pretty clear about where engineering was on the E-nil.

First of all, 392 crewmen were sealed in the "lower decks". Obviously, this has to comprise a large portion of the ship, for all those people to be there. Since the crew still had control of engineering at this time, the "lower decks" are below engineering.

Later, Spock says that the Klingons control deck six and a starboard portion of deck seven, and the SF crew controls everything above that. Since he doesn't mention anything below that, it would seem that the "lower decks" that have been sealed off are the port side of deck seven, and everything below.

The Klingons then take over engineering. Presumably, this is on deck five. It explains how the Klingons took it so easily from deck six, and why the SF crew were easily able to still access deck six later.

Next, the Klingons want to cut off life support, and they (Mara and a guard) have to go to "number six deck". Spock gets readings of the alien "in engineering near reactor three", and he and Kirk go there to investigate. They meet the Klingons and the alien all in one spot, so this must be "number six deck" and "engineering near reactor three", placing the reactor three part of engineering on deck six.

So, part of engineering is on deck six. However, main engineering (presumably the rector there is number one) has to be above that, since it was under SF control even after the Klingons took deck six. I wouldn't think these two parts of engineering would be far from each other, so this further supports my guess that it was on deck five.

Therefore, the regular main engineering room is on deck five, and the entire engineering section also extends onto deck six. That would seem to place it near the impulse engines, or at least on the same decks.

Now, the only thing that doesn't support this is the fact that, when the alien exits the ship from engineering, it appears outside just behind the deflector dish. Maybe back then TPTB thought the ship had fewer decks overall? Not that it really matters. This one visual quirk can be explained away easily enough, especially in light of all the other evidence.


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Finally somebody regognizes the intention of the E-nil's designers. I've thought all along that Engineering was supposed to be behind the impulse engines. That's what the preliminary cutaway sketch in "The Making of Star Trek" shows, and it's supported by the facts you cited.

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The MSD display in that episode (yes they did them back then too!) only showed 1/2-1/3 as many decks as the enterprise was supposed to have. it is assumed it was showing only a status report and not individual decks.. but if you look at the parts that are blocked off, you can see the whole secondary hull is locked. Ill try to find a pic of it.
According to most blueprints, the large diameter of the saucer is decks 6-7, and where the original plan of engineering was supposed to be. But then the new art department guys who really shouldnt have anything to say about TOS continuity decided to be revisionist and change it.. and who can argue with the guy who makes the encyclopedia!? *grumble*

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That "MSD" wasn't a deck plan. It was a display of sections of hull plating. On the DVD, you can read what it says. :-)
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Thanks for clearing up what it was..
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it is assumed it was showing only a status report and not individual decks..
even though i already knew it wasnt a deck plan

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quote:
Originally posted by TSN:
That "MSD" wasn't a deck plan. It was a display of sections of hull plating. On the DVD, you can read what it says. :-)

Are you referring to display in Day of the Dove? I thought that was the one that appears on page 113 of the Star Trek Sketchbook -- The Original Series, which is labeled HULL PRESSURE COMP'TS (I assume this means "compartments").

Any chance you can post a screen grab?

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In the episode "The Corbomite Maneuver", engineering is located on deck 5.
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I think it's pretty much settled that there was an engineering room on deck five, yes. The REAL question is, is there also an engineering room in the secondary hull...?

Factors to be considered:

*The set design changed as the series progressed - can we still say this was supposed to be the same room all the time?
*There might be references to deck arrangement that defy the traditional view that numbering ran from top to bottom. Among the more famous is the eternally long turbolift ride from the bridge to the brig on deck two in "Enterprise Incident", along with the illogic of having the brig right next to the bridge.
*Some camera runs should establish undeniably that one can access the engineering room directly from a curved (and thus apparently saucerside) corridor, just like in the actual sets. Then again, some other camera runs might establish other facts about which room connects to which.

Timo Saloniemi


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PART of engineering may be on deck five, but deck five isnt even far enough down to be located near the impulse engines.. its still in the 'blister' that lies between the main daimeter (the widest part the impulse deck sticks out of) and the bridge domes.. i think that the 'stubby' sticking out of the upper saucer and leading back to the engine emitters is about even with a deck five level.. probably lots of engineering stuff there and then the engine room where we can look back and see down the impulse engines is located on decks 6-7

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I assumed that "comp'ts" stood for "components"...
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I would have assumed "comp'ts" would stand for "compartments."

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Well, this line of reasoning is hardly new, I think this is merely the first time someone's actually gone and done an in-depth analysis of "Day of the Dove." Well done, that Nixpicker! 8)

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