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Actually in the issue of Cinefex that detailed ST6, they had a mock-up of a new ship that was to appear as Chang's flagship. However, due to budget constraints a film version was not made and we had to make do with a revised K'T'Inga.
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quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: I had once heard a rumor that the Klingon D-12 Bird of Prey in "Generations" was supposed to be a new model, but to cut costs, the footage of the Bird of Prey from STVI was used instead. Can anyone confirm this?
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That's not answering his question though, is it? Nope. Although I'd like to see scans of that proposed ship.
Anyway, there is at least one obviously reused shot of the BOP in Generations, when it explodes. Apart from that though, how on earth can it be reused shots? When did Chang's BOP ever fly near the solar observatory, and when did it shoot the Ent-D?
I don't think it's a new model. I seem to remember an argument about the longest serving minture, and the BOP came in second, after the K'tinga (although no-one could remember if the K'tinga in WOTW onwards was CGI, the old model, or a new model).
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Psy: I didn't mean to imply that every single shot of the ship was stock footage, only that TPTB could re-use some stock footage they had from the last movie if they re-used the same model.
NeghVar: When you referred to this study model, did you mean they were going to use it for Chang's BoP as you said, or for the K'Tinga Kronos One? Little confusion here. And I suppose you don't have a pic of that model, or you would already have posted it here.
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quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: That's not answering his question though, is it? Nope. Although I'd like to see scans of that proposed ship.[QB]
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: [QB]NeghVar: When you referred to this study model, did you mean they were going to use it for Chang's BoP as you said, or for the K'Tinga Kronos One? Little confusion here. And I suppose you don't have a pic of that model, or you would already have posted it here.
Dukhat/Psyliam: If I had pics...they would be here. They only described the ship in the article, no pics. The issue in question was CINEFEX #49. And you are right, I think it was meant to used in place of Kronos One. Been a while since I read it...someone somewhere must have seen or taken pics of this ship. Now we just need to find that person/s...
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Think of it this way, they are one and the same, its just that in the 60s, TOS didnt have the technology to convey the way they 'really' look like.
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Are there any pictures of this unseen Klingon concept ship that was dropped because of budget issues?
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quote:Given that Sisko has a model of the never-built Freedom space station ...
Freedom? AFAIK, Sisko only has a model of the ISS! Since the station is shown in the ENT opening sequence, we can safely assume that it was completed in canon Star Trek universe.
quote:Originally posted by Davok: Freedom? AFAIK, Sisko only has a model of the ISS! Since the station is shown in the ENT opening sequence, we can safely assume that it was completed in canon Star Trek universe.
You sure? Freedom and ISS are pretty similar to the casual observer... and even if it is the ISS, it's not the same version that is being built and is seen in Enterprise. Deep Space Nine went on the air in the early nineties, well before the current design was finalized... so it can't be the ISS as we know it now, at least I don't think it can.
But I'm not that big of a real-life-space-stuff-o-phile, so someone else needs to take a look and tell me what's up.
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Okay, after reading Bernd's new Klingon ship listing, I am revising my earlier post. It looks like there were only three versions of that ship:
1. The original TOS ship,
2. The TMP version, which was also the ship used in Voyager & Enterprise, and
3. Greg Jein's model for "Trials & Tribble-ations," which was meant to represent the TOS ship but with wing detailing.
I also rescind my previous theory that the TOS ships were D-4's, as I think it's more logical to assume that all the versions were D-7's, just different types.
As for the "D-7" and "K'T'inga" classes being one & the same, I prefer to think that D-7 was just the Federation designation for the K'T'inga, just as "B-Type" was the Federation designation for the D'deridex class.
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quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: As for the "D-7" and "K'T'inga" classes being one & the same, I prefer to think that D-7 was just the Federation designation for the K'T'inga, just as "B-Type" was the Federation designation for the D'deridex class.
Then why did Kor use "D5" when speaking to an audience of Klingons? Neither he nor the listeners were Federation citizens.
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Possibly for the same reason that Klingons speak both English and Klingon in the same sentence?
Stroppy universal translator...
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