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Doesn't the Ent-B MSD show Type-VIII phasers? From that, I'd assume array or emitter types don't have anything to do with the "Type-n" designation. After all, the shuttles don't have strips, but they are listed with Type-IV phasers in the Tech. Manual.
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It's single emitters versus thousands of emitters formed into collimator rings (or strips). The Galaxy-class arrays are formed from thousands of slaved Type X emitter segments.
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Actually, the uuper dorsal array is by far the largest on the GCS, and it 'only' sports two hundred segments for a measely combined output of 1.02GW. Plus the slightly shorter lower array, the normal nominal total forward phaser power is something like 2GW. Compared to the 20GW of a Romulan Warbird, that's really not much.
And the whole idea of having the saucer section run away while the stardrive goes off to fight really wouldn't work because of the amount of phaser firepower the escaping saucer section would strip away. The single forward strip in front of the battle bridge is ~70MW, tops.
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Duh! I NEVER said "phaser strips" I simply said phasers. The types listed are classed as "Type-IV Phasers", "Type VII Phasers", etc. I never said strips, or banks or pulse cannons or fart repellors!
Griffin and Federation? Got them from DITI - wasn't sure about their status, but put them in anyways.
"Phaser strips", can't you read???? Never said it, so don't accuse me of such! GRRRRRRRRRR!!!!
Can you tell that he's hit a sore spot?
I simply listed phaser "TYPES", there is a difference!!!!
(Storms off as he stomps his feet, slams door and finds a place to sulk and blow off some steam).
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I bet that when they were first thought up for the Ent-D, phaser strip length had nothing to do with power. Why else would you put all those dinky, little ones on the secondary hull?
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Because a short phaser strip is better than no phaser at all?
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quote:Originally posted by akb1979: Type-IX - Ambassador, Excelsior (Lakota),
Ambassador has phaser stripes, Lakota does not.
quote:Originally posted by akb1979: Type-VIII - Cheyenne, Constellation, Excelsior, Freedom, Griffin, Intrepid, New Orleans, Niagara, Nova
Intrepid and Nova has phaser strips, but they're not the same size. Excelsior and Constellation doesn't have phaser strips. You can't have the same type of phaser coming both in array and bank form.
Freedom and Griffin are part of the reason why people don't put much faith into DITI, that and possibly the TERAwatt range phaser outputs.
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quote:Originally posted by David Templar: Freedom and Griffin are part of the reason why people don't put much faith into DITI, that and possibly the TERAwatt range phaser outputs.
But, you can't blame a guy for trying . . . the megawatt range phaser outputs are a joke. My microwave uses more than that when I'm nuking a pizza. :-)
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quote:Originally posted by David Templar: You can't have the same type of phaser coming both in array and bank form.
Um..yes you can.
Remember: a strip is simply a shitload of slaved emitter segments with software & a little hardware) to work in concert with each other in order to achieve maximum efficiency. It's analogous to the "Aegis" SPY-1D phased-array radar system. Put simply, SPY-1D has a giant block of lots of little radar transceivers that turn on & off very quickly at random rates & order. Alone, none of the segments are getign enough signal bounceback to really be effective; together, they form a powerful system.
Phaser strips variate from this in that each individual emitter segment COULD in theory handle the full feed. It just DOESN'T, or rather, doesn't until the energy's been collimated from all segments & shunted to the one that is best positioned for release at the target. That's why when the ship moves, the beam "walks" along the ship, & why we have shots like in "SoA" where we see a Galaxy firing twin beams from the same emitter array.
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quote:Originally posted by Shik: Phaser strips variate from this in that each individual emitter segment COULD in theory handle the full feed. It just DOESN'T, or rather, doesn't until the energy's been collimated from all segments & shunted to the one that is best positioned for release at the target. That's why when the ship moves, the beam "walks" along the ship, & why we have shots like in "SoA" where we see a Galaxy firing twin beams from the same emitter array.
Individual emitters can only pass along the energy, they are still limited to just how much they can dish out themselves. It's be pretty pointless to stick one emitter segment and expect it to do the work of the full array. It defeats much of the purpose of the array, if you can just have a series of small banks.
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That's what "in theory" means. If we stick 2 Type X emitters in a bank, it won't have the same punch as a collimated strip, yes. But the actual energy power is still the same. Dig?
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quote:Originally posted by Shik: That's what "in theory" means. If we stick 2 Type X emitters in a bank, it won't have the same punch as a collimated strip, yes. But the actual energy power is still the same. Dig?
Not really. The same potential to channel that much energy is there, but there's no way to generate that much phaser power with only two emitter segments. It'd be kinda like having a belt-fed bolt-action weapon. Who cares how many rounds it can hold? It can't use them effectively.
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Thanks Shik for coming to my defence. Much appreciated!
David: In ST:II TWOK, the Reliant fired "Chain-phasers" but in DS9: SOA they fired like a Galaxy's phasers. My thinking is that once the phaser arrays were invented/researched/whatever, then the technology could be easily addded to exisiting ships (with some modifications of course). And I agree with Shik that you can have both phasers and banks in Type-VII, VIII, IX and X. Oh and XII. There's nothing stopping you.
If you really want to get picky then we could say that the Mirandas and Excelsiors (and all other similar references) all have their banks replaced with a single segment of a phaser array. There, that makes sense - doesn't it?
Besides, the DS9: TM refers to phasers as emitters - they could be anything from 1 segment to 50 (OK, slightly over the top, but doe ya see my point?)
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You're both right. Read what I'm saying. Think about it.
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