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Okay, please don't dismiss me as a rambling lunatic hell-bent on his obsession with the U.S.S. Trinculo, I just want to clarify some things...
What has been said to me in the past has been that the last place we saw the physical Galaxy model on DS9 was as the U.S.S. Venture in "The Way of the Warrior." However, I have also been told that the CGI model was unlabeled until "Tears of the Prophets" where it served as the U.S.S. Galaxy.
But, these shots from "Favor the Bold" (or is it "Sacrifice of Angels"?) clearly show a Galaxy with a name and registry. Is it then the physical model, or just a CGI model that for some reason was labeled? (With what, we don't know.) Whichever the case, the ship is not the Venture version with the raised phaser strips on the nacelles, nor does it have the darkened neck of some of the CGI representations seen in the same set of episodes.
Now, searches for a picture of the model labeled as the U.S.S. Trinculo have turned up zilch. But I want to ask if there's anybody who remembers SEEING a picture of the model, and what it looked like. Did it have raised nacelle strips? There has been discussion over on the TrekBBS recently and some people have been saying that they've heard the Trinculo model had a darkened neck. This may be complete bullsh*t, and no one has come forth with a source for the information other than that they'd heard it, but I wanted to check if there is any kind of possibility whatsoever that the Trinculo was in fact either one of the dark-necked ships or the ship seen with the registry in "Favor the Bold"/"Sacrifice of Angels". (Which one is it anyways?)
You may have been through this all before, and I searched for old threads talking about it, but could not locate discussion of these specific points. However, I did find out what board member had originally said they had pics of the Trinculo. It was Michael_T. Is he still around? I checked his profile and he has no record on the "this user was last seen..." There was an e-mail address, and I'm sending him a message asking if he still has the pics. But, I don't know how current the address is...
Anyone have any info that would be useful to me on this?
Thanks, -MMoM
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Oh, damn! I can't believe this. I've been in the old threads all day and I completely forgot that he just posted in my last thread!
Jesus, I didn't even remember hearing of him...
Well, sorry Mike! Just ignore that e-mail then. I phrased it all like you were someone who didn't even post here anymore. Sorry, it all just slipped my mind.
But, he did say he had pics. From the waaaaaaaaay old U.S.S. Trinculo thread:
quote:Originally posted by Michael_T: I have a few on my old computer...but I'm too lazy to move them and I don't know how to post them on the boards. The pics were from the Planet Hollywood in Beverly Hills, Ca.
Anyways, guess this isn't going to help with the whole "not dismissing me as a rambling lunatic" thing...
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Well, according to Stipes, the two Galaxies in "A Call to Arms" were CG. Since they were able to import other ILM models for these pre-"Sacrifice" shows (Akira, Steamrunner, Sabre), it's likely that at least some of the Galaxies in "Favor the Bold" are the ILM CG model used in "Generations." No other CG Galaxy would be built before "The Sacrifice of Angels" as far as we know.
However, since these early fleet shows used a combination of CGI and motion control (enhanced by using kitbash ships and model kits, of the Miranda for example), it's very possible that the Trinculo is here as the four-footer, used for convenience or variety.
It could easily be the ship on which a registry is seen -- it only makes sense to put the physical model closest to the screen because of its quality.
However, since we can't read the registry, there's no way to confirm anything unless we ask. I'd rather have the two Galaxies with darker necks be CGI models. They kinda look like the six-footer -- anyone with a good eye?
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Oh my god, I do have two pics from that site! Shit, I need to find them though but it may take a while since I have an extensive collection of Trek pics from the internet. I'm getting started.
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Here's an update, I know that the two pics are in one of my old hard drives but I won't be able to access them until next week since they are in storage. So bear with me for a bit.
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Thanks to Google Groups, I found the following r.a.s.t. post by D.J. Creighton, the maintainer of the famous Ships Basic and Expanded lists:
Late in 1995, Paramount loaned the 4' Enterprise to a museum in Scotland. On the way back, US customs pried open the model to make sure that no one was smuggling drugs inside of it. Of course, they did some serious damage to it. It was still usable for long shots, but required much work if it was ever to be used for close photographs again.
Fortunately, the big 6' ship was in great condition from the refurb that ILM gave it for Generations, even thought that model is much bulkier and more difficult to work with.
- Joe
There's no doubt that the Galaxies in "Favor the Bold" were based on the six-footer -- just look at the shape of the deflector on the rest of Pedro's pictures. All the distinguishing marks of the six-footer are there.
I don't know why Hutzel or Stipes would bother to pull out the physical four-footer after showing the CGIs in such closeups. If you wanted black markings, just paint the CGIs black.
It seems to me the Trinculo isn't here or anywhere else onscreen.
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I agree, it doesn't seem as if the Trinculo is one of the dark necks. (Unless some pictures or an eyewitness reveals that the exhibition model had this paintjob...)
But again, what about the ship with the reg? If it's a CGI (and the CG model remained unlabeled until "Tears of the Prophets") then why does it have one? And, why don't any onf the others have any such markings?
The Trinculo model...what was it? The four-footer? How come the aforementioned damage has never been noted?
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Well, maybe the CGI is still labeled "1701-D" as in "Generations." Probably a mistake, just like the famous "Defiant 74210" in "Tears of the Prophets."
Also, this is probably not the same Galaxy CG used in "Sacrifice of Angels" and "Tears of the Prophets." That one was likely rebuilt in LightWave using this CG model (and maybe even the six-footer) as the basis.
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What about those two Galaxys in 'Call to Arms'? They were physical models. I always assumed they were both labeled NCC-1701-D (I recall I saw at least one 1701-D flying in the taskforce, but I could be wrong.). But still the other one could have been the Trinculo. (Or the famous Ron Moore, if it was a physical model. )
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No, they were CGIs, according to Stipes.
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Sure? from the Companion, p.471:
"[first talking about the Defiant and Rotarran for the final shot and how they had to do them with CGI]...Ultimately, those two ships were done as CGI, as were a number of the vessels in the fleet. 'We ended up with a combination of both motion control practical models, both full-size and smaller kit-built ships, and computer generated ship models that had been built by ILM for First Contact', notes [Adam] Buckner. 'They'd made a number of new ships for the Borg attack at the beginning of the movie.'"
This sounds as if they had used the CGI's of the Akira, Steamrunner and Sabre and the rest were motion-control, physical models. I don't know in which way Stipes confirmed this, but one of them is wrong.
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Believe it or not, I went to that 1995 exhibition, only when it went on to the Science Museum in London afterwards. And no, I can't remember what the model was labelled as.
But hey, I touched Captain Picard's desk! That's gotta count for something. . . 8)
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