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I went to the one in Southampton, I'm fairly certain that there was a big 6ft galaxy model as you came in and I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it was labled as the E-D

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Here's the original post:

From: David Stipes
Subject: Re: call to arms fleet...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
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Date: 1997/07/03


McReynolds wrote:
>
> I don't suppose it would be too much to ask for a breakdown of exactly
> WAS there, so we can stop arguing about things that weren't, would it?
> :-) Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I see:
>
> A.) 2 Galaxy-class

Yes, 2 Enterprises (CGI)

> B.) 2 Excelsior-class (non-refit)

Yes, (the 3 foot model created for Voyager/Sulu episode)

> C.) 3 Defiant-class (including the Defiant herself)

Yes, (all CGI)

> D.) at least 3 Miranda-class

Yes, if Miranda = Reliants. (All model kits of Reliant) Not to
confuse
issue, there may be another Reliant in the distance. We shot several
groupings of Reliants. Some were dropped because of technical problems
and some ships were removed to make the shot less confusing.

> E.) a lot of K't'inga-class and Vor'cha-class Klingon ships

Maybe. I'm not sure what K't'inga is. There are a lot of old
style
Klingon D-7 Cruisers and Vor'chas. (D-7's are model kits and Vor'chs's
are the sound making toys.)

I hope I am not spoiling it for you. In these fleet/mob shots we use
every trick we can to pull off the shot. [Smile]

> F.) a lot of FIRST CONTACT ships, including Sabre-class and
> Steamrunner-class, Akira-class and Norway-class possible

Yes to first three. (all CGI) I believe we removed the
Norway-class for
technical reasons.

> G.) a lot of Birds-of-Prey, presumably of B'Rel-class and K'Vort-class

Yes, but not several classes. They are all the same BOP as we
have
always seen. (All CGI) If it matters, we did scale Martok's BOP up in
size to appear more equal with the Defiant. That may give an impression
of another class. Just artistic license. (Please forgive me. )

Martok's BOP at the beginning has his wings in attack mode to
distinguish him from all the other BOP which have wings in cruise mode.

That's it. We had a limited assortment of ships to work with. I'm sorry
to say there is NO Enterprise 1701 from TOS or Enterprise E. We just
didn't think of them.

David Stipes, Visual effects Supervisor "A Call To Arms"

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^^^^

Thanks. [Smile]

(OK, I believe it now. [Razz] )

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My God, Stipes really is a dumb ass. I knew there was a reason I disliked the guy. Does he have anything to do with Enterprise (the show)?

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Stipes went off to do his own stuff after DS9 wrapped, but came back as a substitute VFX supervisor of sorts for "Terra Nova" and "Breaking the Ice" last year on Enterprise.

And honestly, just because the guy isn't obsessive-compulsive about Trek detailing doesn't mean he's subhuman. His storyboard work has kicked ass, for starters, and he was critical in making a smooth switch from physical to CGI work. He's certainly more willing to exercise artistic license than the other VFX guys, yes, and my inner tech-geek does take issue with the unilateral elimination of shield bubbles and decision to start blowing up spaceships after three shots. But he's responsible for some purty work. I'll take impressive-looking VFX sequences over unique registries on four-pixel-wide background ships any day. Feel free to excommunicate me for that.

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I hereby excommunicate The_Tom... [Razz]

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[ February 08, 2002, 11:35: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]

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Just kidding... [Roll Eyes]
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I can't say I've ever been too impressed with the work from Stipes. After all, he's responsible for the crappy VFX in episodes such as "Valiant" and "Tears of the Prophets" - they were absolutely terrible IMO.

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He also, did, well, pretty much every fleet scene, ever. He was the fleet guy, I guess. By Inferno's Light, Call to Arms, Sacrifice of Angels, WYLB, etc. etc.

And whatever about your opinions on the quality of the various CGI models in "Valiant" and "Tears", you can't deny that the starship choreography (to coin a phase) in those eps was a bit more artistic than the run-of-the-mill stuff we usually get.

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Stipes is definitely to be credited for introducing CGI into DS9, and although the initial CGI models were rather inferior, they hadn't been meant for closeups, only fleet shots. Unfortunately, since they now had them, they got lazy and used them in closeups as well, for instance in "Valiant", where the weird Defiant model has to be seen in a closeup because it's easily relabeled and exploded, and because no stock footage could've been used. It should've been possible to relabel the model and use motion-control for at least the regular model footage, if not the explosion. That's the big problem.

I credit Stipes for going out of his way to answer questions online. Sure, he'd only been working on DS9 since Glenn Neufeld left after "Shattered Mirror", and only occassionally on TNG and Voyager before that -- however, there's no reason to believe any other supervisors are more familiar with the special nomenclature for these ships. He did misestimate the sizes of a couple of ships, but the other sizes were set by Hutzel and other supervisors -- they're not all his.

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Okay, the ship from Planet Hollywood was the 4-foot model since I didn't see any clear seperation lines that are found in the 6-foot model. At least 3 four-foot models were built before the master molds were destroyed, one of which is owned by a guy who freelanced as a VFX modelmaker in Star Trek: Voyager (He designed and built a mini-model of that robot in the Captain Proton holonovels). And I'm down to two more hard drives that may contain the pics. I may have an answer by Sunday or Monday.

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I sincerely hope you have them. Thanks for putting the effort into looking, Michael_T.

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Bad news MMoM... it seems that the latest earthquakes to rock the San Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles county destroyed one of my hard drives. It seems that a few boxes and a dot matrix printer fell on it and now I can't access anything on it since it's now a 2 GB paperweight. Sorry Kris, but if the pics were in that, then they are now gone along with the other pic collections it had.

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Figures... [Roll Eyes]
Doesn't anyone else have Trinculo pics?

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I think this is a conspiracy set up by the people who want us to forget about the Trinculo. They'll go to any lengths to prevent our tracking down oif the evidence that may prove that this ship actually exists. It's like Kennedy's fucking brain diappearing...

But then again, I'm certifiable. [Roll Eyes]

CURSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOILED AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Needless to say I am most disappointed. But what can I say? You gave it your best shot. So, are you sure it was on that HD or haven't you finished checking the other one yet?

Bad luck, old boy. [Frown]

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