quote:FROM THE TOM: two, the aforementioned description of the British monetary system is so ignorant and out-to-lunch I shall shut up and leave either Lee or Liam to make a cutting remark.
The Tom,
No need for cutting remarks. I admit I am not too familar with the British monetary system. I only know it in a passing, and from what I vaugly remember from both the Holmes and Hornblower stories and Brit TV such as "Are You Being Served?". Thus, I apologize for my inaccuracy in my previous message.
I was only trying to relay that my Army friend was merely making a joke about how Naval Ranks and British money could be confusing. The point of the joke is that an Army boy could not distingush between the strip ranks and the rank devices (since the devices mean something else in the Army). It was also a play on how us "ignorant yanks" sometimes only pay attention to our own money systems. He told this little joke to me, a Navy Brat.
You could, thus, insert any monetary system or service branch into the line. It could've been told like this:
There are two things that don't make sense Air Force Ranks and the Yen.
All this controversy over a little joke meant to illicit a simple chuckle-- if I had known, I wouldn't have used it.
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From ID Crisis:
I think you mean before decimalisation, which was in 1970/71, as we still haven't joined the Euro.
The old system was slightly confusing but boiled down to: 1 pound = 20 shillings = 240 pence (so 1 shilling = 12 pence)
When we moved to the decimal system the pound stayed the same, but we replaced shillings and old pence with new pence so that 1 pound = 100 pence. And that's the system we use today.
A farthing was a quarter of an old penny and was withdrawn from use in 1961. I don't think there was ever a half-farthing.
Any other funny terms (such as florin or crown) are just amounts of shillings or pence (2 shillings for the florin, 5 shillings for the crown) and aren't any different to those strange US terms dime and nickel.
Thank you, ID Crisis. I am now better informed about British currency. Indeed, it was not the Euro I meant-- then again, I've never had a great interest in economy as a study. I'm a journalist, damnit, not a financier. But, as such, I should know better. Once again, thank you for the information and not the "cutting remarks."
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Aww, I wanted to make a cutting and witty comment. Poo.
Two things:
quote:Originally posted by Shik: And yet it's still called the English standard.
Actually, over here it's called the Imperial measuring system. So, nyah. Again.
quote:Originally posted by Middy Seafort: Riker, in a real navy, would never SPOILER STUFF.
Cheers. Thanks. Whoop-bloody-pee. I do a MAGNIFICENT job of avoiding Nemesis spoilers. An astounding job. Best I've ever done. I only know the barest of plot details, and even then in very vague details. And then someone who thinks that Are You Being Served is an accurate representation of Britain today waltzes in and STARTS DROPPPING FUCKING SPOILERS!
Arse.
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quote:Cheers. Thanks. Whoop-bloody-pee. I do a MAGNIFICENT job of avoiding Nemesis spoilers. An astounding job. Best I've ever done. I only know the barest of plot details, and even then in very vague details. And then someone who thinks that Are You Being Served is an accurate representation of Britain today waltzes in and STARTS DROPPPING FUCKING SPOILERS!
Arse.
First off, I apologize for not putting a spoiler warning. That is a greivous error.
Two, I never said I saw "Are You Being Served?" as an accurate depiction of British society-- I know it isn't, it is television and outdated at that. Nor do I think that it is what or is how things are in Britan. You have put words, inaccurately, in my mouth.
I merely was trying to point out what I vaugly remembered about British money, it's donominations and so forth, came from British TV and novels-- outdated, as such. And for that inaccurate memory, I apologized for not being as accurate as I should've been. However, I do not need your forgiveness in any case. In fact, I can buy or leave it from you.
I also will not allow you to call me an arse!
However, for your tone I wish only to put my foot in your arse.
I understand that you are upset and perhaps offended by whatever you think I am saying about British Society. In fact, I admire Britan and its Royal Navy. There is no need for name calling. In any case, you can bugger off.
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Regarding, the facial hair. The only reason why we can't (Sailors) is that back in the 80's, they banned beards for the simple reason you cannot put a good seal around your face with masks. I would assume that with all the life support, venting systems, and son on on board a ship, they wouldn't need such masks that need a seal around your face.
Also, another note, Rand should have been called a Petty Officer, not a Yeoman. Since O'Brian has been called Chief before instead of hisjob title liek Rand, does then there should be Petty officers there.
Even if we do see a handful, it doesn't add up. Like I said, enlisted members are 20 to 25 times more numerous than officers. Also there sghould have been Captains in every department, this doesn't mean they would be wrestling over the ship since there can only be one CO and XO on board. Just Captain of that department.
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Captains as Department Heads?? No, in the US Navy Department Heads on an aircraft carrier are LCDRs and CDRs, the only Captains on board are the CO, XO, CAG (Commander, Air Wing) and DCAG (Deputy Commander, Air Wing. On smaller ships, the Department Heads are Lieutanants and LCDRs
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The point of this place, so far as it can be said to have one, is to talk about Star Trek. So it's a good bet that everyone here is interested in watching it. It is not a good bet that everyone has already seen something. Surely you can see why such discourtesy must be met with the fiercest resistence. Plus, Liam's "smackdown" was about as light as you can get.
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Liam, there was no spoiler stuff in the comment about Riker turning down command three times. That's TNG. He turned down the Drake, the Aries, and the Melbourne. Moving on.
I'm amazed no one's mentioned CPO Garrison from "The Cage" yet. As far as the various Chiefs go, I never thought of it as a rate the way it was used in dialogue, as the individuals were always chiefs -- Chief Engineer, Transporter Chief, etc. O'Brien started on TNG as a Command Division Ensign serving as the battle bridge conn in "Encounter at Farpoint". A season later, Colm came back and his character had changed to the Engineering/Services Division, had gained a full pip, and was now the ship's transporter chief. He was even referred to in dialoge a couple times as "Lieutenant". A season after that, his backstory got expanded to include serving as the Tactical Officer aboard the Rutledge. In the fourth season, however, Ron Moore went to write "Family" and thought "Chief" meant an enlisted rate rather than a shipboard job title. Bam, pow, sunk in one.
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quote: I'm amazed no one's mentioned CPO Garrison from "The Cage" yet. As far as the various Chiefs go, I never thought of it as a rate the way it was used in dialogue, as the individuals were always chiefs -- Chief Engineer, Transporter Chief, etc. O'Brien started on TNG as a Command Division Ensign serving as the battle bridge conn in "Encounter at Farpoint". A season later, Colm came back and his character had changed to the Engineering/Services Division, had gained a full pip, and was now the ship's transporter chief. He was even referred to in dialoge a couple times as "Lieutenant". A season after that, his backstory got expanded to include serving as the Tactical Officer aboard the Rutledge. In the fourth season, however, Ron Moore went to write "Family" and thought "Chief" meant an enlisted rate rather than a shipboard job title. Bam, pow, sunk in one.
--Jonah
I had forgotten about CPO Garrision, but was he's rank mentioned in dialogue or was it in the script?
As for poor O'Brien, it seems they were never quite consistant with his rank.
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Maybe Chief O'Brien got busted down in rank a few times.
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quote: O'Brien started on TNG as a Command Division Ensign serving as the battle bridge conn in "Encounter at Farpoint". A season later, Colm came back and his character had changed to the Engineering/Services Division, had gained a full pip, and was now the ship's transporter chief. He was even referred to in dialoge a couple times as "Lieutenant". A season after that, his backstory got expanded to include serving as the Tactical Officer aboard the Rutledge. In the fourth season, however, Ron Moore went to write "Family" and thought "Chief" meant an enlisted rate rather than a shipboard job title. Bam, pow, sunk in one.
--Jonah
You're in a bit of a muddle there. He was called "Lieutenant" once, during "Where Silence Has Lease". His mentioning of having been Tactical Officer on board the Rutledge occured during "The Wounded", which was season 4, after "Family".
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