There's more confusion with Kwan: Lt. Nara said, that Kwan knew the Enterprise better than most people because he helped build it back at Utopia Planitia. Troi said that Kwan arrived at Utopia Planitia six months after Finn's death. Beverly said that Finn was reported missing at stardate 40987.2.
You see the problem with that?
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quote:Originally posted by Spike: Salvatore, Bruno USS Donovan USS Enterprise USS ? Starfleet Academy San Francisco, Earth
There was a Giovanni Donovan who was a modelmaker for Generations and First Contact according to the index of production personnel in the 1999 Encyclopedia. Obviously, GEN and FC came after TNG, but Okuda could have known the guy beforehand.
quote:Ziff, Anaanda USS Enterprise USS Malone ? USS Peterson USS Clayton ? Starfleet Academy San Francisco, Earth
That doesn't look quite like "MALONE" to me. More like "MA_ENE." There was a Nancy Malone listed in the index, but she was a director on VGR, so I wouldn't think she'd be connected.
There were several Petersons listed, including Lowell Peterson, a camera operator for TNG.
A John Clayton was a construction foreman for TNG.
quote:Pierce, Walter J. USS Enterprise USS Imidazo ? USS Suleman ? USS Chicago ? Starfleet Academy San Francisco, Earth
No idea about the first one, but I think the first letter is an "E" instead of an "I." If the second ship is named for the Ottoman monarch, it should be "SULEIMAN." I agree that the last one looks like "CHICAGO."
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I was going to e-mail Okuda about this, (if I showed him the pics he might remember or be able to guess at what some of the names were) but I thought I'd better ask if you or anyone else already has first. Have you?
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Aha, it says 46xxx...we used to think it was 40xxx...
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i definitely see Clayvin.. and if they used Clayvin, it seems more than likely that the names above are Peterson and Malone. i doubt that they would clairvoyantly name ships for people who didnt work for the show yet, and even less likely that they would pass up a chance for a TV reference injoke. i'll just say 'get with it, man' and leave it up to the more outspoken board members the task of actually insulting you on this one.
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Captain, there is no need for harsh words. I see that you are quite correct, but didn't catch the connection until you pointed it out. (Haven't seen Cheers in a while. Good show, BTW.)
I was only investigating possibilities.
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For anyone who's never seen the TV show Cheers, which ran in the U.S. from 1982-1993 IIRC, the names refer to three regular characters from that program. (Sam Malone played by Ted Danson, Norm Peterson played by George Wendt, and Cliff Clayvin played by John Ratzenberger.)
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What's the correct spelling? According to IMDB and Dukhat it's "Clavin".
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But now I see that I was even more out-of-sync with reality than I thought, as I didn't even see Dukkie's earlier post. This is bullshit. I should be slapped.
Can anyone imagine me on drugs?
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sorry.. i was just giving you a slap that you should read that previous post because it made more sense than what you were saying.
i've always seen 'clayvin' but if it was 'clavin' that would be wierd cuz its diana's name. ok.
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here goes:
quote:IMDB says:Clifford C. 'Cliff' Clavin, Jr.
quote:[2003.01.02.17:07:38 EST] CaptainMikeKB: hey is the guy on cheers 'cliff clayvin' or 'cliff clavin' [2003.01.02.17:07:51 EST] towel onion q - Diana Clavin-Vallee: clavin [2003.01.02.17:07:58 EST] towel onion q - Diana Clavin-Vallee: my mom never shuts up about it lol
guess that settles it. except apparently everyone thinks its spelled different, like the guy who typed the okudagram.
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I believe the USS Suleiman under Walter J. Pierce is actually USS Sullivan, either in reference to "The Sullivans" or Danny Sullivan, take your pick...
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quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:
For anyone who's never seen the TV show Cheers...
Surely these people will have never heard of TV in general.
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So, can we assume this Alfonse Pacelli character was of an enlisted rank, seeing as how he apparently attended Starfleet trade school?
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