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yes they would have to change the size of the E-E, which would require altering the structure of a previously seen ship with no explanation as to its new dimensions!
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: If they put the pre-E there - why not put the Space Shuttle, the Sailing ship, the two aircraft carriers, the ring ship and numerous other ships there?
Yeah! That's as crazy as them putting the aircraft carrier up as a model, and not putting up the shuttle.
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There's really no reason to have to include sailing ships, shuttles and carriers, starships named Enterprise have had a distinguished history all their own. The models in the conference room could just represent Starfleet's history of ships named Enterprise. Nothing wrong with that.
quote:Originally posted by SoundEffect: The models in the conference room could just represent Starfleet's history of ships named Enterprise. Nothing wrong with that.
Nothing except the fact that the NX-01 never appeared in ANY other display of vessels named Enterprise, because they haven't *been* representative of Starfleet's history of ships with the name. They've either been all the FEDERATION starships to bear the name (which the NX-01 is not one of, obviously) or, in the case of TMP, they've been a collection of the "firsts" in various areas. (The first sailing ship with the name, the first nuclear carrier, the first space shuttle, the first interstellar starship, and the first Federation ship with the name.) Obviously, the NX-01---being the both the first Warp 5 ship and the first Starfleet vessel with the name---would fit right in with the latter list, but not with the former. If the Enterprise-D's model display and the Enterprise-E's display in FC didn't include the NX-01, then there's no reason to add it to the E-E's list now. The explanantion for its being absent, of course, being that it was not a Federation vessel. What would be the explanantion for them suddenly switching in 2378 from displaying all UFP Enterprises to all Starfleet Enterprises?
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You know what's the worst continuity error of all? In all the displays we've seen, they've never, ever shown the Goodyear blimp Enterprise! My god, what were they thinking??!!
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quote:What would be the explanantion for them suddenly switching in 2378 from displaying all UFP Enterprises to all Starfleet Enterprises?
Actually, the NX-01 has always been depicted in the various displays, from TMP to TNG. You just never saw it because you weren't quick enough to catch it before the scenes changed.
See, I can BS just as well as B&B can.
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quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:
quote:Originally posted by SoundEffect: The models in the conference room could just represent Starfleet's history of ships named Enterprise. Nothing wrong with that.
Nothing except the fact that the NX-01 never appeared in ANY other display of vessels named Enterprise, because they haven't *been* representative of Starfleet's history of ships with the name. They've either been all the FEDERATION starships to bear the name (which the NX-01 is not one of, obviously) or, in the case of TMP, they've been a collection of the "firsts" in various areas. (The first sailing ship with the name, the first nuclear carrier, the first space shuttle, the first interstellar starship, and the first Federation ship with the name.)
And the Enterprise-D display was obviously all the Federation starships called Enterprise.
And the aircraft carrier.
And the Enterprise-B was blatantly wrong.
WHY DID IT NOT HAVE THE SPACE SHUTTLE WHICH EXISTED AND WAS DOUBLE GOOD POO!
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Well, I should have known better than to expect that TPTB might come up with some kind of EXPLANATION for why we've never heaed of the NX-01, instead of ADVERTISING it by adding it to the models and thereby asking us ONCE AGAIN to just "pretend" it was always there. Personally, I find that distasteful.
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Maybe Federation historians lobbied to have the NX class entered into the flagship's Hall Of Fame all along, but were constantly opposed by Starfleet's Temporal Integrity and Continuity Preservation divisions? EXPLANATIONS abound, chap!
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I realize that there are explanations we can come up with, but I just (stupidly, of course) thought that TPTB might have had some sort of PLAN for the fate of the NX-01, like being destroyed or defamed or erased from history or something. Something clever. But it's clear to me now that they're just going to ignore the fact that the ship is now sitting in the conference lounge of the E-E for all to see. And we're just supposed to accept it. I call it a lack of effort, or at the very least a lack of foresight.
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I think we could say it was an inside joke with the interior desighn people just to bug us
Maybe what MMM is saying can be taken as half true. Enterprise happened but kept away from everyone knowing and made top secret. Until Nemesis that the Federation said that there was another Enterprise that was a warp 5 ship.
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I'd rather accept that the NX-01 wasn't included in all displays than that the Enterprise-B was a standard Excelsior Class. If we can accept that change, we can accept NX-01!
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