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I bet Tripp thought he was bluffing too. Hoshi only THOUGHT she detected the captain.
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I also think that Trip's "gunboat diplomacy" was a big bluff - obviously outnumbered by either side, and knowing that since the Vulcans had better weapons than they, that the Andorians must have something comparable. Or else he was betting on diplomatic repercussions - but would Earth be in a position to weight in against the other two?
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Watching this episode, I got the distinct impression that the Andorians are a single planet with a few strategic colony outposts. The Vulcans, on the other hand, seem to have a number of colony worlds that have been established for a long time. I wonder if the Vulcans could conquer the Andorians if they wanted to? They seem pretty insecure to me.
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I think the Andorians are just insecure...perhaps because their males are shorter than their females?
I am guessing the Andorians are most likely equally advanced as the Vulcans, or if not, still significantly more advanced than Starfleet becuase they can manage to hold off Vulcan forces to a stalemate.
I just think that it is funny that Earth is so weak technologically and so forth during the 22nd Century compared to what we have seen of the Vulcans, Klingons, Andorians, and presumably Tellerites, yet in 200 years manage to catch up with those races and meet or surpass them technologically. hmm...perhaps we owe this to Section 31...
Oh shit...perhaps I shouldnt open that door...I would HATE to see an episode in Enterprise involving those individuals.
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Bear in mind that the Vulcans are intentionally withholding technological advancements from the humans, just like humans do in later series because of the Prime Directive. Once the Federation forms, there will presumably be a complete exchange of technology among the members, bringing Earth up to Vulcan's level overnight.
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quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: perhaps we owe this to Section 31...
Oh shit...perhaps I shouldnt open that door...I would HATE to see an episode in Enterprise involving those individuals.
IIRC Sloan said that Section 31 was founded at the same time as the Federation.
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I didn't like this episode as much because of the technology. It was totally stupid to say they could not pinpoint the Captain's location... my butt. We can do that today.
Shuttle leaves ship, visual camera follows shuttle, telescope lense focuses on the shuttle as it goes down, camera sees shuttle go down, camera sees captain walk out....
If we have cameras that I can see the tree outside of my house from space...then we have cameras that can see the shuttle. And I've heard we have cameras that are more than capable of seeing people [identifying them might be hard, but if you followed the crew down you can tell who they are]. The Andorians were not blocking light... we could still see the surface, so a camera would have worked.
I just hate their use of technology--- What not use laser data transfer for communication when other signals are blocked? Yeesh....
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Thta works if you are right over the target and watching it. if you have to find it, around the side of the planet, it gets harder. They COULD have been in stationary orbit, but that's a little farther out then standard (low) orbit.
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I thought we had established that Shran had ECM going nuts over the planet? That'd screw near everything up - and the atmosphere could disrupt a laser beam.
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: I thought we had established that Shran had ECM going nuts over the planet? That'd screw near everything up - and the atmosphere could disrupt a laser beam.
I presume Archer knows Morse code or some equivalent... he could've just pointed his phase pistol straight up and fired off his message, literally.
...And pray that he doesn't hit the ship. (I know, that's highly unlikely without some super-precise aiming beyond human abilities.)
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quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: perhaps we owe this to Section 31...
Oh shit...perhaps I shouldnt open that door...I would HATE to see an episode in Enterprise involving those individuals.
IIRC Sloan said that Section 31 was founded at the same time as the Federation.
Actually, I'm pretty sure Sloan said it was included in the original Starfleet charter. (Although apparently, from our discussion in the Daedalus thread, you think he meant a different Starfleet... )
In any case, I probably still wouldn't advocate the appearance of Sec 31 in ENT. That storyline lay distinctly within DS9's purview. It wouldn't seem appropriate to me to go into it again on this show.
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