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Micromaniac
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From Star Trek The Next Generation Companion it states there were 16 new Starfleet designs for the opening Borg battle which got reduced to the 4 Steamrunner ( which was to be a quad engined update of the Stargazer) , Saber , Akira and Norway. I know of the Zandura , Goodson, Endeavor and another unknown reliant type. That leaves 8 unknowns.
Does anyone know Alex Jaeger who did these - he was supposed to do an article in the defunct Star Trek Mag ?

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Amasov Prime
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There was a large image - obviously from the storyboard - showing several new classes in the Movie Sketchbook. But I don't know if they were just fillers to show a huge battle or if they were low-detail sketches of sctual shipclasses they were planning to do. (Besides something that looks like an Akira we have the usual enterprise-configuration, a ship that looks like a modernized Shelley, a ship that appears to be a saucer with a spoiler and two engines in front (!) of the saucer, two four-engined ships, a strange thing that looks like a D7/Akira-kitbash, some fighters and a ship that looks like the front end of the Seaquest with nacelles). Does anyone have the book? if not, I'll see if I can scan the image later tonight.

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Micromaniac
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No there were 16 designs not the storyboard sketch with the strange ships of which the Zandura was one.
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Jason Abbadon
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Would someone PLEASE post a pic of this storyboard so i can build these designs!
I'm beggin' ya!

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You want to build 'the front end of the SeaQuest with nacelles'!?! LOL!

Actually maybe it's that ship from Sternbach's early book?

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Amasov Prime
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Sorry for the delay. This is the image from the Sketchbook (two pages, I combined it and resized it). Sadly - on this smaller version - you can't see much of the details so here is a .zip-file containing high-res images of all the ships you can see on that sketch (13 images - 10 ships, 3 fighter squads - plus the original).

.zip-file should be ~600kb. (I'm too lazy to upload them all seperately. But feel free to do so if you want to... [Smile] )

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Amasov Prime
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...and just for our unbelieving friend AndrewR, the Seaquest. [Big Grin]

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That's the Goodson, right?
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Amasov Prime
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The goodson looks similar, but I don't think it's supposed to be this ship. That one had a saucer that looked like the saucer of a Prometheus or Intrepid.

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Looks more like a StarfleetizedTM Y-Wing to me.

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Jason Abbadon
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It it just me or do the nacelles on the Goodson look a lot like those on the Ageian?

I may have to build me that thar ship, pardners. [Wink]

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What about the new Enterpise doodles of Mark Moore on pages 84 and 85 of the Star Trek: The Next Generation Sketchbook - The Movies which were based on conversations and brainstorming sessions he had with Bill George and John Knoll.

Could any of these been the basis of some of the other unknown classes?
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I especially like the design of the arrowhead-like primary hulled starship in the bottom right corner of page 85.)

The other ships could be nothing more than indistinguishable doodles and weren't worth reproducing in books or magazines Although, I cannot think of anything more primitive than John Eaves' Endeavour-class drawing. It looks like it was executed in ten or fifteen minutes with a blue colored pencil.

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Is John Eaves the most uninspired, worst starship designer in Trek history!?!

Jeffries, Probert, George, Rodis, Sternbach, Jein, Martin - they crap all over Eaves' work.

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So, you like Dominion nacelles on Romulan BOP's Andrew? [Wink]

I like a LOT of Eaves' designs and feel that he's unjustly villified by us fans: after all, he does not have the final say on what designs to use: the producers pick the one they like from several thumbnails.
As a Graphic Designer, I know from experience that any client is going to pick the worst of any concept you show.
It's just the way it goes: some people are convinced that bright green and pastel pink would be great on a professional logo.... [Roll Eyes]

I think Eaves is the best of all the Trek designers when aliens are concerned, just not great with Fed ships.

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I don't quite understand the hostility some fans have toward the design work of John Eaves. He cannot be blamed for the hated Akirapriseor the brick-shaped holoship in Insurrection, its what the producers wanted from him.

My favorite rendering by John Eaves has to be his first design for the holoship, the ship with only a primary hull saucer and the two warp nacelles with the registry NX-75115. I even like his second try at the holoship. But the producers didn't like those and they wanted him to draw what looks like a brick or a shoebox with engines and a bridge module. Yuck. [Frown]

I think that his designs for the Enterprise E, the Insurrection shuttle, Calypso, Argo, Breen attack cruiser, Son'a ships of Insurrection, quantum torpedo, Valdore, and Scimitar are just brilliant.

Perhaps some people object to his Volvo-ization of starship design, especially noticable in his shuttle and scout designs. They're boxy but they're good seems to be the approach.

I think most people may confuse John Eaves' work with that of Alex Jaeger at ILM. I personally don't care for his designs of the St(r)eamrunner, Saber, and the unused Zandura classes. Plus the supposed capabilities of the Akira-class, with seven torpedo tubes and a thru-deck shuttle bay are absurd. [Eek!]

The line drawing that was posted to this thread that we are discussing now was drawn by Alex Jaeger, and not John Eaves.

So why do some people think that it's even appropriate to mention Eaves' talent in this thread or compare him to other beloved designers of Star Trek in the first place. [Confused]

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