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MinutiaeMan
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I'm working on a little outline of the movie era, and one thing that I realized was never (apparently) established was the original name of Kruge's Bird-of-Prey before it was captured by Kirk. Was this ever established, whether it be a novel, comic, or production note? (Obviously it wouldn't be canon.) I'm just curious if this was ever done, before I start making up my own name for it.

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FWIW, even Memory Beta doesn't know of any source for an original name...

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I could swear that one of the novels had a throwaway, non-canon name associated with that ship, in a short story about how the "Bounty" name came to be. But it's been years upon years...

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As I recall, McCoy painted it on there as a sarcastic joke.

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I believe one of the novels gave the BOP the name of Okhrona, or something like that. Either that, or it was the Dakhron, but I think that was Chang's BOP in the novelization of The Undiscovered Country. Let me do some quick internet research.

EDIT: I was right, I think. The Dakhron was definitely Chang's BOP, and the Okhrona? is from Michael Jan Friedman's novel "Faces of Fire." Keep in mind, though, that I read this book years ago, so my memory may not be exact, but I beleive the book's subplot involved young Kruge's eventual captaincy of the BOP through assassination.

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Timo
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I have the vaguest memory that Friedman's story would have been about the ascent of Klaa, not Kruge... Also, Okrona is the name Dillard gives to Klaa's ship in the ST5:TFF novelization.

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Okay, then I was confused about the Okrona. However, I'm pretty certain that "Faces of Fire" was about Kruge, not Klaa. What the name of the ship was in that novel, however, eludes me.

Ironically, the novelization for ST:III has the ship called simply a "Klingon fighter." It's never referred to as a Bird of Prey.

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"Fighter"?!?
As though there would be a carrier for such a massive vessel.

Reminds me on the nonsense line in TDS9TM about how the Dominion cruiser serves as a base of operations for the smaller attack craft.

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Well it could serve as a "base" in the way that a submarine or destroyer tender acted as bases for their respective vessels. Sources of parts, maintenance teams, etc.

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quote:
Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:
I'm working on a little outline of the movie era, thwhole thing ?



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quote:
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
"Fighter"?!?
As though there would be a carrier for such a massive vessel.

How do you define carrier? Why not define it as a long ranged vessel which carries a vessel of less endurance into an area of operations, and deploys that vessel and provides support for it. I see no particular reason why a single BoP can't be a "fighter" embarked* on a larger, longer ranged cruiser/carrier of some sort. The BoP would simply touch base with the cruiser for a refuel and resupply every few weeks or months.

*neither do I see a reason why the BoP needs to be contained within a carriers hull. What's wrong with docking on the outside and being hauled along on the bigger ship, ramora style? If an aircraft carrier takes off at 30 knots, do all the jets parked on deck slip off the back end?

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Reminds me on the nonsense line in TDS9TM about how the Dominion cruiser serves as a base of operations for the smaller attack craft.
Again, why not? Cruiser resupplies, refuels, rearms and rotates crewmen. The cruiser doesn't need sufficient internal volume to be able to accomodate all the attack craft internally at the same time. Why would it? Attack craft that are not undergoing maintenance inside the cruiser, or are not docked on the outside whilst being refueled/rearmed would travel along with the cruiser under their own power.

BTW, hi, hope you're all well. How's things? ;-)

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quote:
do all the jets parked on deck slip off the back end?
Um, they're usually tied down in some capacity, and uh, the physics is a bit different in the vacuum of space.

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The MJF book WAS about Kruge, although I got the impression that the ship they on was much larger than a Bird-of-Prey.

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quote:
Originally posted by OnToMars:
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do all the jets parked on deck slip off the back end?
Um, they're usually tied down in some capacity, and uh, the physics is a bit different in the vacuum of space.
I was being (very obviously) facetious.
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