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Malnurtured Snay
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Could a Danube-Class runabout fit in the shuttlebay of a Nova-Class starship? I'm thinking probably not, but wanted expert opinion.

(So I came here).

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Maybe if you dismantled it first...

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Daniel Butler
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I have to ask, was that sarcasm or do you mean the runabout sans mission module might fit? I don't know much about the nova class myself, but I've heard its half the size of the Intrepid, in which case, ehh, I think not.
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At the bottom of this page, there's an MSD that would seem to preclude the squeezing-in of a runabout. A Type 6 shuttle barely fits in the main bay, and a Danube would be twice as high and thrice as long. The supposed cargo bay atop the shuttle area isn't any better in this respect.

But it might be possible to dock a Danube underneath the front hull, where that aerodynamically shaped auxiliary craft nests in that picture. Would that meet your needs?

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Just looking at the MSD - would the Nova class take the place of the Oberth Class starships?

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quote:
Originally posted by Daniel Butler:
I have to ask, was that sarcasm or do you mean the runabout sans mission module might fit? I don't know much about the nova class myself, but I've heard its half the size of the Intrepid, in which case, ehh, I think not.

A little of both, since the latter would be rather pointless. I'd say if a Danube needed to dock with a Nova it'd most likey do it with one of the external airlocks. I presume they are equipped with docking tubes.

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It would fit fine- with enough velocity.

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quote:
Originally posted by AndrewR:
Just looking at the MSD - would the Nova class take the place of the Oberth Class starships?

I say yes, but.

The Oberth, first of all, wasn't meant to be a re-use of the Grissom miniature. The ship Rick designed would have been a smallish ship in the Ambassador design family, appropriate for the registries used. The Nova would be newer, but I don't imagine bleeding-edge shipbuilding is as much a necessity for Surveyors, so they would be more supplement than replacement.

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The Oberth, first of all, wasn't meant to be a re-use of the Grissom miniature. The ship Rick designed would have been a smallish ship in the Ambassador design family, appropriate for the registries used.
Although I did know about the "Oberth" issue (with the re-use of the Grissom as the Tsiolkovsky, instead of making a new model), I was unaware that Sternbach actually had a design for the Oberth on the drawing boards. I was only aware of his Ambassador-style design for the Pegasus, which yet again the Grissom stood in for [Roll Eyes]

Are there any pics of this "Oberth" design sketch?

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As I recall, you'd have a hard time fitting a Danube inside even a Galaxy's shuttle bay. The interior volume is obviously enough, but getting it through the door would be a problem. We know however that they are capabable, somehow, of holding at least three. Could've been in those giant garage doors on the underside of the Saucer I guess... But if you can barely get one in a Galaxy, it's doubtful you could get one in a Nova

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At the time of "The Naked Now", it was only an idea. He got short-circuited before he had drawn anything meaningful. But the set was built with the intention of it being an older ship, but not as old as the movies (this WAS the Next Generation, after all!). The single drawing he did for "The Pegasus" was the same idea he'd had for the Tsiolkovski, but again, that got axed -- although he did make it a little further that time.

For me, every instance of an Oberth in TNG is/should be that design, with the Grissom belonging to some other class that was retired by then.

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What a shame. You know, I remember reading somewhere that TPTB, when TNG first premiered, didn't want to spend any money building new Starfleet or Klingon ships (other than the Ent-D), because they didn't know if the show would last past the first season and didn't want to waste money building models that would never get used.

First of all, to think that the show would tank was just stupid. But what was worse, they still DID build new models, only they were guest alien one-off ships like the Terellian globe-ship and the Straleb ship, while alternately using old movie models & movie stock footage to represent Fed & Klingon ships that would most likely need to be re-used many times!

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Took them a while to figure things out. At first they were going to use matte paintings for all the planet and space establishing shots -- including of the Hood -- but that was changed to model shots (and then back to matte paintings for the planets). And by "The Battle" they knew it was worthwhile to spring for new Starfleet designs, as the Stargazer was first going to be Constitution-class. Couple examples of overdubbing are in the final cut. But I am still frustrated by the pletora of Excelsiors, Grissoms, and even Constellations poking around in the latter-24th century.

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At first they were going to use matte paintings for all the planet and space establishing shots -- including of the Hood -- but that was changed to model shots (and then back to matte paintings for the planets).
Yes; IIRC they were going to use Probert's matte painting of the (pre)Ambassador class in "Encounter at Farpoint," although it was supposed to be called the Starseeker or something like that, instead of the Hood.

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And by "The Battle" they knew it was worthwhile to spring for new Starfleet designs, as the Stargazer was first going to be Constitution-class.
Actually, the Stargazer was always supposed to be the type of ship represented by the model in Picard's ready room (which would only later come to be known as the Constellation class). Only by the time of "The Battle," they had to quickly replace it with a substandard-looking Constitution class model when they made the decision to go with the movie Enterprise. Luckily, Greg Jein had his model ready in time for post-production.


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But I am still frustrated by the pletora of Excelsiors, Grissoms, and even Constellations poking around in the latter-24th century.
Well, to be fair, the only operational Constellation by TNG's time was the Victory, and that was just stock footage of the Stargazer (albeit, this was a bad choice to represent the Victory, but since it was only on screen for a few seconds, I'm sure the producers didn't give a shit)
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IIRC, there was an operational Constellation in the fleet sent to uncover the Romulan incursion on Vulcan.

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