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MrNeutron
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I would have loved to have gotten a good shot of the back of the model, but it was situated in the display case such that the back was angled away from the aisle side, and the back was pointed at a costume. There was no way to get around that side. As was, I had to go some pretty weird angles to get the shots I got.

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We're thankful even for what little we got, you know. [Smile]

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Personally, I think the model/ship is amazing - and I agree it is much more 'realistic' for the pre-TOS time period than the Enterprise-class NX-01. Something in its lines, proportions and markings just make it 'feel' more authentic.

The circle of round 'ports' around the perimeter of the Engineering hull's stern almost have to be impulse engines (or their precurser).

I'm going to do a cross-section and see what I get in terms of size. I'll assume that a shuttlepod can fit inside the rectangular hangar doors - as well as a TOS shuttlecraft.

BTW: just to be the Devil's Advocate; we know that the Enterprise-class wasn't Starfleet's first warp starship - just the first with the capability of warp factor 5. Could the Daedalus-class explorers be pre-Enterprise? What time period were they supposedly operating in according to 'A Piece of the Action'?

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quote:
Originally posted by Treknophile:
BTW: just to be the Devil's Advocate; we know that the Enterprise-class wasn't Starfleet's first warp starship - just the first with the capability of warp factor 5. Could the Daedalus-class explorers be pre-Enterprise? What time period were they supposedly operating in according to 'A Piece of the Action'?

Well, the episode made it sound as if it had been after the founding of the Federation. Kirk introduced himself as the captain "of the starship Enterprise, representing the Federation of Planets" and the Iotian responded immediately: "You're from the same outfit as the Horizon?"

Plus, he said the ship left Sigma Iotia II "100 years ago."

OTOH, if we are accepting that this design is indeed the Daedalus Class mentioned in "Power Play" (TNG) then it was retired by 2196. That doesn't really tell us when it was first built, although if it was extant in the ENT era then its absence is curious. Also, it seems unusual that an older, less-advanced design than the NX (retired in the early 2160s as per "These Are The Voyages..." [ENT]) would outlast it by more than three decades.

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Could the Daedalus be the new Warp 7 ships mentioned in "These are the Voyages"?
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Certainly, it could be.

So, what did we ultimately decide on as a likely scale for this thing?

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I don't think it was mentioned anywhere in "These are the Voyages..." that the entire NX class was being retired at that time. Rather it was just Enterprise's time for retirement... possible after extensive action during the war with the Romulans.

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...But certain novels now try to retcon "TAtV" as having taken place in 2154...

It wouldn't much surprise me if the Daedalus class had been in active Starfleet service during ENT. If she were one of the slower, older designs, she'd only be encountered if NX-01 sailed in her operational area (that is, the Daedalus wouldn't be able to sail to where NX-01 is).

And if she's a nearspace explorer, NX-01 and Daedalus simply wouldn't share territory. Not the way NX-01 might quite plausibly encounter some heavily armed homesystem watchdog types at the S2/3 threshold, or some very long-ranging tramp freighters at random times.

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Aren't we overlooking a rather obvious factor here, though? Namely that the Daedalus looks much more like a TOS vessel than anything we saw in ENT, all of which had a particular "look" about it...

BTW, what's this about retconning the date of TATV?

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Maybe it was the Daedalus that started the TOS look.
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Hmm. I'm not sure I see anything TOS-like in the Daedalus. It's not smooth or curvy like Kirk's ship, it's not sleek, it's not light grey...

The ENT novel Last Full Measure is the center of this retcon thing. Not to spoil too much, but it deliberately countermands the plot points and factoids given in ENT "These Are the Voyages" one by one, and reinterprets that episode as a "major exercise in disinformation" rather than a "realistic description of 22nd century events". A valid plot twist, I guess - but not one I'd particularly like.

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I don't know. Tech business aside, that episode was powerfully no good.
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quote:
A valid plot twist, I guess - but not one I'd particularly like.
So you'd rather have the abysmal crap that we got?
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In a word, yes.

First of all, because if it becomes an accepted practice to just plain contradict in novels whatever is seen on screen, all pretense of these adventures taking place in the same fictional universe falls apart. And without that pretense, there isn't much to the stories themselves.

And second of all, because Last Full Measure is worse than "These Are the Voyages" by far. And yes, that's saying something.

As a distant third, I might mention that the retcon in the novel is embarrassingly clumsy. It would have been far more believable to say that a wizard did it.

[Mad] ^3

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Which is why I stopped reading Star Trek novels a long LONG time ago.
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