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Dukhat
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So was the Mirandas and Oberths in First Contact these miniatures or some new CGI models?
The miniatures were used for this scene. There has never been a CGI Oberth model made.

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Teh PW
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don't suppose someone here, who knows people of importanance in ST, could ask them about those models and what they plan to do with them? (keep them as keepsakes of thier work?) [Wink]

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Aban Rune
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I think the models belong to the studio, not the artists.

The Miranda and Oberth models probably weren't fussed over so much before Generations because they weren't going to be seen as closely. The OB is tiny compared to the Nebbie.

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Sean
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How big was the Oberth model in real life compared to the Nebbie model?

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The Nebula model looks to be about five feet long, and the Grissom pictures I've seen in Star Trek III B-T-S stuff looks like it's a little smaller.

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Here's how big the Oberth model is:

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And the Nebula...

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Dukhat
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I gotta say, the Oberth is a sexy-looking ship.
I hate the Oberth with every fiber of my being. And not just because it's a silly design. I hate it because in almost every TNG episode it was featured in or mentioned, it was supposed to be a different class of ship that TPTB decided to nix having a new model built because of the budget.

Tsiolkovsky: Where it all started. The "Oberth" class was supposed to be a new ship. Instead we got the Grissom without even any changes to the name and registry on the model. So essentially, the runabouts were the ships that finally replaced the Oberth class.

Yosemite: Because this was originally the class ship for the Trieste, Okuda had to rename the class Merced.

Raman: A new model was supposed to be built for this ship, but instead no exterior shots were shown, and Okuda made it an Oberth in the Encyclopedia with a completely different registry than what was in the episode.

Cochrane: Script only mentioned "a small Federation ship." So they used the Oberth.

Biko: Was supposed to be a freighter, and instead we got stock footage of the Cochrane from "The Drumhead."

Pegasus: Supposed to be a new design. Guess what we got?


And to add insult to injury, I had heard a rumor that before Deep Space Nine premiered, the plan was to use the Grissom model again to represent the three ships assigned to DS9, before the decision was made to build the runabout models. So essentially the runabouts were the ships that finally replaced the Oberths.

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Mars Needs Women
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Well Dukhat the same could be said for the Excelsior class. I think it rivals the Oberth in terms of appearances. The real kicker is that they all used the same stock footage of the Big E and an Excelsior flying side by side.
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Teh PW
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and thus reason enough IMHO for TNG-R...

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Mars Needs Women
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And what makes you thick they would use new designs to replace all the Oberths and Excelsiors that have appeared on TNG, assuming they were going to Remaster TNG.
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Dukhat
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Exactly. I really doubt Okuda would invalidate his own Encyclopedia by giving different designs to every instance of Oberth and Excelsior use, re-use, and stock footage.

And, BTW, I hate the Excelsior class as well, not to mention the Miranda Class.

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Shik
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The ship classes of the undead, the 3 of them. I realized while working on my project that if I did those 3 classes right up front then I'd have the bulk of Starfleet done. Boy howdy, was I right.

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At least they're not all birds of prey.
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Sean
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Or Antares Class(s).

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quote:
Originally posted by Dukhat:
And, BTW, I hate the Excelsior class as well, not to mention the Miranda Class.

Blasphemy! I'm quite fond of both designs. The Miranda class' compact design makes more sense to me than the primary hull-secondary hull setup of just about ever other Star Trek starship.

As for their use in TNG and DS9, I don't have much of a problem with the use of the Excelsior class since it was at least a prototypical design in Star Trek III. The Miranda, on the other hand, seems like much too old of a design.

The use of those classes decades after their introduction isn't too far from reality, though. The B-52 prototype flew in 1952 and current USAF plans are to have the plane in service until at least 2040. That's 88 years of service! With the Excelsior prototype being tested in 2285 and being used at least until the end of the Dominion War in 2375, the design would have been in service for 90 years. With respect to the long life of a particular vessel, the USS Midway (CV-41) saw front-line service for 47 years (1945 to 1992).

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