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B.J.
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I think that's probably an earlier concept since the concept drawings of the Kelvin bridge were also labeled "USS Iowa". It's likely they told him to make it look not-so-much-TOS and dirty it up a bit.
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Nothing like car whip antennas from CB radios to dirty things up.
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I have never posted here before, so this will be my first.

On the number of survivors from the Kelvin, I agree with some of you about the theory that the 800 survivors was probably just a large number to make his sacrifice sound more impressive. The ship looks like it isn't really larger than the Enterprise. Maybe the saucer section is a little wider, but generally comparable in size. Or, the theory of it being a typo is correct. Writers are only human and prone to the same mistakes as the rest of us. Though, as writers for a 'Trek' movie you'd think that they would have second checked their work.If these two are not the case, then why couldn't it be a military escort for a convoy? The Defiant was designed for that very role in DS9! The Kelvin would have been a great escort for convoys considering her abilities. Personally, I would give her a crew of no more than 300-400, as would be fitting to her size.

As for the shuttlecraft number, this would appear meaningless. The numbers could have simply been the production number of that particular craft. It doesn't necessarily mean that they carried that many onboard! Look at the Kelvin's size. Not much room in that bay for that many shuttles.She could have been a replacement for any number of prior shuttles lost in service. They tend to go through quite a few.

As for the size of the new Enterprise, well, I follow the theory presented with the pixelated studies done earlier in this discussion, around 300 meters sounds about right. The numbers are very close to the original ship. I have no problem with that. It fits into the scheme of the original series.

Looking at the picture of the starbase, and it's enhanced starship images, this what I believe that I see...

3 starships with double warp nacelles and double secondary hulls.

At least 1 with triple warp nacelles and no visible secondary hull.

The other ships I am still scrutinizing.

A great deal of what we see in things on screen is based on our individual interpretation. If we look for fault, we will find it. That's just the nature of things. Nobody will ever be 100% correct, nobody will ever be 100% accurate, and nobody will ever be 100% satisfied!

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Welcome to the asylum. [Wink]
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Hey, you stole my line... (though I haven't used it on this forum)
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bX
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Welcome.

I'm still a fan of Lee's idea about the Kelvin being some sort of Colony or human transport vessel. Maybe evacuating people from someplace else is why they have so many. Still not sure how/why they'd have so many shuttles.

I went back through the thread, and realized I hadn't publicly freaked out about OverRon mocking up 3D models of the ships at the station. Super cool. (Not cool in the pulling chicks sort of way, but you know...) I salute you, sir.

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Sean
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Some of the shuttles could have been from where ever they were evacuating people from. It seems like that in this time line, shuttle are still preferred to the transporter, and it seems logical to me that there'd be some people who would prefer to take a shuttle off the colony, rather than the transporter. If that opportunity presented itself (i.e. , the colony wasn't about to explode, or wasn't in imminent danger),I can see them using shuttles for the evacuation instead. It just so happened that the Kelvin had enough room for those extra shuttles in it's bay.

Same thing could work in reverse as well. They're carrying people to a colony, and plan on moving the inhabitants down en mass, so they pack a more than a few extra shuttles for the task, probably those large transport shuttles we see Kirk and McCoy on, and cargo transport shuttles, perhaps similar to the one Pike used to drop the three amigos onto the drill.

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Except that...there's no colony. Nobody said shit about a colony. The 800 people were the Kelvin's crew. I mean, they were traveling through Klingon space! Why would a ship full of colonists do that?
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Amasov Prime
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When did they mention travelling through Klingon space? There was some background chatter when Narada appeared, and I seem to remember them saying that they were several lightyears away from the Neutral Zone. But I could be wrong.

Anyway, we know that Kirk Prime was born in Iowa. And his mother must have been in her 8th or 9th month during the events that started the movie. So without the appearance of Nero, the ship must have been back on earth in a matter of weeks, maybe even days. The colony-idea is a good one, but it could have been just the opposite: what if they were not on their way to deliver some colonists, but on their way back *from* a colony. Assuming there has been some trouble with the Klingons, maybe Starfleet gave up a colony and Kelvin was bringing them back home.

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Which is exactly what I said several pages ago.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mirror-Amasov:
Anyway, we know that Kirk Prime was born in Iowa.

No, we don't. He described himself as being "from Iowa" in STIV, not specifically that he was born there, and that's all we ever got on the subject.
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quote:
Originally posted by Lee:
Which is exactly what I said several pages ago.

But it seems others have ignored your idea, which is why I brought it up again. [Wink]

@Mim: Okay, so he's "from" Iowa, but before the movie came out, we never made a big deal out of this. "From" used to be "born in". But it isn't that important anyway. For all we know, they could have been on their way to Tarsus IV. Maybe the Kelvin was assigned to that planet.

The whole problem is the ship's size. If the JJprise really is 700+ meters, this thing could be equally large without any problem. 800 people would be okay for such a large ship. Actually,
it would not even mess with continuity to have such a big ship. Odd, definitely, but not impossible (you know, we don't have much of this era to compare to, the "Constitution=biggest of the fleet" is mere speculation). But if the ship is indeed *reasonably* sized (either by us, compared to a 300m-JJprise, or by ILM themselves), 800 crew would be ridiculous and we need one of the above 'passenger' theories.
I also wonder what the 'official' number of crewmen (official for the 700+m-JJprise) is supposed to be. If the ship is 20 times as massive as the Prime-E, (and it apparently is as densely packed as the original and the Kelvin), it could have up to 8,000 crew members. No wonder they needed everyone they could get, including all students of the academy. [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by Mirror-Amasov:
@Mim: Okay, so he's "from" Iowa, but before the movie came out, we never made a big deal out of this. "From" used to be "born in".

Who's making big deal out of it? I was just clarifying so that it doesn't catch on as one of those so-called continuity errors that isn't really one at all and doesn't really require any rationalization. That's the kind of thing that had (and still has some) people claiming the Starfleet of ENT is a separate entity from the familiar Starfleet of the rest of Trek that just happens to have the same name, when nothing of the sort was ever intended.

In the case of the new film, they originally were going to call the Kelvin the Iowa, presumably because they thought they'd need to get around him being "born in Iowa." Then somebody probably pointed out that this would be an unnecessary gimmick, because nothing canon ever said he was born in Iowa.

And no, "being from" somewhere doesn't have to mean you were physically born there. I'm sure if someone was born on a plane flying over Wyoming, but was raised from infancy in California, they'd probably still describe themselves as being "from California."

Not trying to escalate an argument, here. I'm just saying. [Wink]

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B.J.
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^Bingo. I say that I'm from Georgia all the time, but I wasn't born there, and didn't move there until I was three. But that's where I grew up.
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Well this is interesting.
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