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In addition to the ships on the page we've already seen, which includes the Emden, the Challenger, Scovil, and Springfield were candidates for Operation Retrieve according to Bjo Trimble's Concordance. I rather had the impression that the others were from a mission assignment list from a bridge display or something to that effect.
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Anything with a 2XXX number should be a later design than the Connie Refit, IMHO. Maybe the fiirst Constelation class ships?
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I think we should know by now that you can't make any meaningful determination of what class a ship should be based on its registry.
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Well, here is the shiplist seen on the chart. This will confirm things already known, and perhaps give us something new.
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quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: I think we should know by now that you can't make any meaningful determination of what class a ship should be based on its registry.
You sir, are a communist.
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That's cool, Starship Freak! Thanks for the legwork. A few observations:
1. This page was never seen in the film, so I guess those who are really persnickety won't count it as hard canon. But...
2. It seems there is still a starship mission assignment list that has yet to be indentified onscreen or in behind the scenes photos, but featuring the same ships. In Bjo Trimble's revised Concordance, for which Okuda provided her information, she specifies the activities of each vessel and cites that the display was seen on the Enterprise bridge in the film. More interestingly still...
3. In addition to the missions of all the ships, Trimble specifies that the Ahwahnee, Challenger, Eagle, Endeavour, Potemkin, Scovil, and Springfield as being proposed for Operation Retrieve. Perhaps she (or Okuda) confused the Scovil and Springfield with the Emden and Excelsior, or...
4. I know you said there was no starship info on the other pages, but take a look at the screencap five rows down in the third column here. There are three more starship silhouettes and each looks like it has an accompanying name and registry. What about these?
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Nilo Rodis, creator of the KBOP and captain of the USS Kongo.
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You´re referring to this which doesn´t tell us much. I just recieved this btw. Note that one of our gurus is a shining star in the universe as well..
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All three are of the same size. So either Emden and Korolev are also Constitutions (which would contradict the first page, where Emden is just a Baby-Constitution) or Potemkin is not a Constitution (which I think is out of the question) *or* that third page's silhouettes are just generic "this-is-a-starship"-icons without any further meaning.
Or the fourth possibility which I don't even dare to post.
Okay, I'll do it anyway. Maybe we just disregard the third page with the big Emden, as that one was not on-screen and simply override that info with the info from the first page, which clearly was on-screen. And therefore, ... you know... kinda ... a little bit more canon. Right?
Please don't kill me.
(By the way, I once asked Okuda about that chart, but he said he didn't have it anymore and he didn't know who has it. Funny that things don't get lost around here...)
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IMHO, I believe they are all Constitutions, and not only because they have a Connie silhouette. If the Connie silhouettes were just random placeholders and not the actual class of the ships, then the Excelsior would have had a Connie silhouette too. But it doesn't; it has an Excelsior silhouette.
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Sternbach didn't make it, though. He just found some copies of the charts in his files. Okuda, on the other hand, had this to say:
quote:If I recall correctly, the charts visible on film/video listed only ship names and registry numbers. One can probably glean some class designations from the ship icons in the diagrams.
I don't have the original art handy (I think it's archived on Syquest disks, which I don't have the ability to read, even if I could find the disks themselves), but I recall giving the info to Bjo Trimble, and I'm pretty sure she used most of it in her revised Star Trek Concordance.
I might note that some of the ship registry numbers came from Greg Jein's interpretation of the starship chart in Commodore Stone's office in "Shore Leave" (TOS). Other registry numbers came from Franz Joseph's Starfleet Technical Manual or his Starship blueprints. In still other cases, the ships and/or numbers did not come from either source, but were consistent with some fleet status charts I did elsewhere on the Enterprise-A in Star Trek VI. (In other words, there's something that just about everyone will disagree with, but I also hoped that there would be at least something that almost everyone would agree with.)
I should also point out that I prepared several charts for the rescue briefing scene, and that not all of them ended up in the final cut of the film. I don't recall which ones were used, or which ones ended up unseen. I do seem to recall that there was at least one chart that had quite a number of registries - mostly, I recall, from FJ's work - that ended up unused.
-Mike
Still, it's somewhat open to interpretation. It is a little weird that some are smaller on one page and not on the other.
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Maybe we just disregard the third page with the big Emden, as that one was not on-screen and simply override that info with the info from the first page, which clearly was on-screen. And therefore, ... you know... kinda ... a little bit more canon. Right?![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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