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I think it was difficult for the casual viewer to understand what this concept was. Viewscreen is etablished by now even by the non-Star Trek fans, but this new technoligy is hard to grasp...

For example, in some episodes of TNG it was sufficient for the food replicator to have that sound off-screen and everybody knew: The replicator is working know. But there was nothing comparable to the holo-projector for it.

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That seems a little unlikely. I think even the casual viewer can grasp the idea of a hologram.

I've never heard of anyone watching The Empire Strikes Back and suddenly shouting "Oh my god, the Emperor is a giant floating head that can appear and disappear at will?!".

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The scene in Star Wars V was done in post production, which means additional cotsts.

The idea in Ds9 was to use no (or barely) no special effects in order to save money. The actor was 'just' standing on the brigde of the Defiant in front of the viewscreen. I can imagine that a casual viewer, who is not used to this concept is asking why this guy is acting so strange...

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Second try:

You got the concept on SW V because the quality of the hologramm was fairly poor.

The quality of the hologramm on DS9 was so good that you can't tell if this guy was realy standing on the bridge or if he was a hologramm instead.

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Not really. You see the person fading in and out and that one other time they used it the Admiral bloke had a spot light right on him to get the point across.

Also remember that the "average viewer" by this point was mostly made up of sci-fi fans if not die hard trekies.

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quote:
Originally posted by o2:

I can imagine that a casual viewer, who is not used to this concept is asking why this guy is acting so strange...

Huh? It was made perfectly clear in the dialogue that the image, while looking like a normal person, was in fact a hologram. The "casual viewer," whether a sci-fi fan or not, would have to be a complete moron not to understand this. Unless you happen to think that people who are not Star Trek fans are complete morons.
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I have no complains with the presentation of the hologramms in those two DS9 episodes. This was done very well. But the question was why they have not used it after that. My point was that - if they what to save costs - they have to avoid effects like fading in or out (otherwise they could stick to the established viewscreen). But then it is hard to understand for the casual viewer to grasp the concept. On the other hand, I can't believe that only die-hard Star Trek fans are looking DS9.
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quote:
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But then it is hard to understand for the casual viewer to grasp the concept.

You keep saying this, and yet there's no truth to it at all.
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Besides, is fading the person's image in and out at either end of the transmission really any more complicated/expensive an effect than inserting the greenscreen footage onto the viewer? After all, fading people in and out is an effect they should pretty much have down pat, after years of transporter effects.
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Mate, even 50's B-movies could competently fad characters in and out. It's one of the oldest optical effects on the books.

Even so, if they really want to penny pinch all they need to is have the person/hologram materialise off screen and just have the sound effect. It's a trick they used for the transporters and replicators all the time.

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One of the first VFX fades, and my favorite.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dukhat:
quote:
Originally posted by o2:

I can imagine that a casual viewer, who is not used to this concept is asking why this guy is acting so strange...

Huh? It was made perfectly clear in the dialogue that the image, while looking like a normal person, was in fact a hologram. The "casual viewer," whether a sci-fi fan or not, would have to be a complete moron not to understand this. Unless you happen to think that people who are not Star Trek fans are complete morons.
Casual viewers would have to be constantly told that the guy was only there holographicly- they beat that horse into hamburger every episode of Voyager and STILL kept doing it till the end.

It would have just been a distraction on DS9.

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Here we go again...

A few days ago the first 1080p pictures of the USS Enterprise appeared:

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/GoingBoldly.jpg

And there is the rumour that a few takes have been done with a CGI-Enterprise.

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Yeah, it's pretty much confirmed that this shot is entirely CG.

http://images.static-bluray.com/reviews/5450_34_large.jpg

But they had Tobias Richter work on it, so while I'm curious why it was necessary, I'm glad it's at least being done well.

He's currently working on an Excelsior model, and also mentioned making an Oberth, so it'll be interesting to see if they show up at any point.

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Johnny, that's CG? Pull the other one! [Wink]

Seriously impressive, almost enough to justify getting a bluray player.

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