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Thanks for the link Spike, and the support Shik. I thought I was alone in recognizing that even the Nimoy character from the JJ movies was not our Spock.
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I still don't buy it. This is Pegg's interpretation to support a minor plot point in thr third film in what is to all intents & purposes a trilogy. He may be a good friend of Abrams (to whom he owes his whole career really - if not for the three of his films Abrams cast him in, Pegg would be no more than a minor comedy actor known for the Cornetto Trilogy and a few anodyne romantic comedies) but his input into the foundation of the Abramsverse was minimal to non-existent.
(Now, even I can point to little things which support your viewpoint, One is the comic released to support the 2009 film, depicting the background to Spock's mission to save Romulus. In it, Data is the captain of the Enterprise and it's never explained how. So either he's an upgraded/re-programmed B-4 - or it's a universe where he didn't die in Nemesis...)
The whole point of Old Spock being there is that he is OUR Spock. Theere's nothing there to suggest otherwise. If that was the intent, they'd have made more of it. And probably pissed off a lot of people.
And why try to say he's not OUR Spock just to explain ONE slightly-unusual ship design? OK there's also the whole storm in a teacup of whether Sulu was gay or not. Which wouldn't exist if Takei hadn't said he didn't think Sulu was gay. OK, on the one hand he played the character on and off for 30 years; on the other, Sulu's sexuality was never once mentioned (just that he had a child, well, that's still there in Beyond). What Sulu is, that he wasn't perhaps "played as gay," is irrelevant because he is in the end a great helmsman, commander, father - and human being. THAT'S the true message of Trek - that it doesn't matter he's a "different colour" or might be gay.
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I don't buy the argument that Spock Prime came from a different timeline. Every appearance and reference in the three movies directly supports that he's the same Spock that we knew and loved for 50 years.
The Jellyfish stardate is a damn annoying gaffe though, especially because the JJ-stardates aren't really stardates at all, they're just disguised Gregorian calendar dates. My rationalization is that the Jellyfish computer translated the dates into the local equivalent. Obviously the computer picked up on the local Federation time beacons and adjusted accordingly. (Just like how we sometimes convert historical dates from Julian to Gregorian or vice versa.)
(Please note that the argument of Spock Prime's origin is a separate discussion from whether the JJ-verse is an alternate universe or alternate timeline. I think that's a discussion for another thread.)
And finally, to wrench the discussion back on track, have we actually seen any more footage of the Discovery? I don't recall seeing it in the last teaser... just the second wireframe with the down-slung nacelles.
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I think the ending of Star Trek Beyond implicitly shows that old Spock is of the Prime Universe. He had a picture of the Enterprise crew from Star Trek VI which nu-Spock inherited. What would have been the point of that scene and image if Old Spock was not from the Prime Universe? It certainly couldn't be of the nu-crew since unfortunately we know Chekov won't make it and the image shows an older Chekov.
I like the Discovery design, it has a heavy industrial look that I usually associate with Star Wars vessels. I'm not so sure of that wireframe ship design. It looks a bit too TNG for me, like what a 24th century Miranda class should have looked like. But I reserve judgement until I see the actuall textured design.
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Oh no! The Klingons from Discovery might look different from the Klingons on the JJ-verse, which looked different from the Klingons of TNG and post-The Search for Spock, which looked different from the Klingons of The Motion Picture, which looked different from the Klingons of TOS!
Makeup, like starships and other technology, is going to evolve based on contemporary production standards. Why are you surprised?
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I don't know if I'm surprised,I just find them odd. They remind of the Yuuzhan Vong from ye olde Star Wars Continuity. But then again they are alien, and I guess aliens are suppossed to be y'know alien looking.
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I can't find it right now, but I saw where the guy who leaked that picture admitted that he actually has no idea what aliens those are, and he just thought they kind of looked like Klingons.
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Yeah, they might not be Klingons. But even if they are, I don't think that's a bad look for them.
And we don't know how many Klingons were ultimately affected by the Augment virus, nor do we know exactly when they started restoring themselves, so I don't think this blatantly breaks continuity either.
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My gut instinct says they're "proto-Klingons" from VERY long ago, that were found on that ancient "sarcophagus ship" (read - "sarcophagus" = long-term cryogenic freeze containers). This would explain how they sort-of look like Klingons, with quasi-similar costumes, but don't. Their culture and personalities could be totally different, and possibly even pre-date the Hur'q invasion by millennia - an event that likely changed Klingon culture into what we saw in the 22nd-24th centuries. Hell, these ancient Klingons may even be gentle pacifists!
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Eaglemoss states that the Discovery is a Crossfield class vessel.
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