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Jeez, HD and the omnipresence of the internet ruins everything. Back in 1997 we argued for about a year over just four new designs in First Contact. Now we have names, registries, even classes at the drop of a hat.
That's, what, nine new classes now? What a time to be alive. My shiplist file has gotten longer from four episodes of DSC than it did from four seasons of ENT...
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The T'Plana Hath is gorgeous. And I really liked the Klingon battlecruiser, just enough semblance to the D2 and Negh'Var to send out that klingon vibe, but the engineering hull is a totally new aesthetic, practical instead of tear-shaped.
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"We are ten years before The Original Series…Where Constitution Class ships are in comparison to where this Discovery prototype – well one of two prototypes, well now one of one prototypes – are technologically is obviously a variant."
There probably isn't a Crossfield class USS Crossfield.
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quote:Akiva Goldsmith has stated there were only two Crossfield class starships in existance.
Which could just mean that the USS Crossfield was destroyed or never finished.
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quote:Originally posted by Nim: The T'Plana Hath is gorgeous. And I really liked the Klingon battlecruiser, just enough semblance to the D2 and Negh'Var to send out that klingon vibe, but the engineering hull is a totally new aesthetic, practical instead of tear-shaped.
I'm looking forward to getting a better look at all the new Klingon ships. I especially like the one that looks closest to previous Klingon designs. Kol uses a ship of that design in "The butcher's knife cares not for the lambs cry". I guess we're talking about the same ship? ;-)
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quote:Originally posted by Mars Needs Women: There probably isn't a Crossfield class USS Crossfield.
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As for registries, if these were supposed to be testbeds . . . floating labs to test starship systems . . . that'd be cool enough. But these seem to be frontline combat ships, which nerfs that idea.
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When did Starfleet start naming ship classes after the prototype ship? The earliest definitive example was the Excelsior. The Constitution class is named Starship class on the Enterprise dedication plaque, and Enterprise (the series) didn't follow this naming convention with the NX-class. Discovery could be evidence that classes were not originally named after the first ship produced at least until the 2260s (when the name Constitution-class appears on technical displays in TOS). Then again, Spike could be right, and it could be that the first ship of a class was seen as a test-bed and never pressed into active service until the launch of the USS Excelsior under Sulu.
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quote:Originally posted by Amasov Prime: Here's a pdf for you. Not formatted or edited or anything, just something I typed down to get some structure into things regarding the battle of the bynary stars. Working on... something else, but I might as well include DSC. Tell me if I missed something. Analysis of BOBS (pdf)
Someone, give this member a job at ex-astris.
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I guess there are all sorts of reasons why there might not be a class ship (for any given class: - Non-flight testbed - Project name only - which would certainly tie in with the number of flight pioneers we've seen having names assigned to classes (we could eentually find that all these assorted -type ships we've seen at the Binary Stars are actually Gagarin-class, etc - Leonov, Tereshkova, Aldrin (!), Shepard, Glenn (!!), Grissom (!!!)...) - Secrecy - etc.
Are there any real-life examples of having twinned prototypes? Becauase the only thing I can think of is, er, the Victory and Excalibur from B5: Crusade...
quote:Originally posted by Amasov Prime: Here's a pdf for you. Not formatted or edited or anything, just something I typed down to get some structure into things regarding the battle of the bynary stars. Working on... something else, but I might as well include DSC. Tell me if I missed something. Analysis of BOBS (pdf)
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Or at least a job at Trekyards haha. But only if he likes making hour long analysis videos on 4 seconds of footage.
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Ah, Trekyards are OK. Well, sometimes. Sometimes they are spot on, and produce a really well-rounded episode; other times, it's plain the format doesn't lend itself to what they're trying to discuss and it just meanders.
TrekMovie's Shuttlepod PodCast is the worst culprit though. Christ do they have some elementary gaps in their Trek knowledge. And they come across as really up themselves sometimes. Yes, Kayla, we get it, you're a real scientist. And the guy with the nasal voice, he literally has the worst voice in Podcasting history. Nicely offset by the third guy, who apparently records his part form inside a steel drum in his bathroom.Frankly given the extended love-in they're having with DSC and the access tney're obviously getting, they're throwing any notions of impartiality out the window and signing up as a full-time adjunct of CBS' marketing division.
Basically, I hate other Trekkies. I don't know any in real life, I prefer to talk to you at a distance, it's better all round for everybody!
Gosh, I haven't ranted on here in YEARS. Have a world-famous Lee smiley: 8)
quote:Originally posted by Lee: Basically, I hate other Trekkies. I don't know any in real life, I prefer to talk to you at a distance, it's better all round for everybody!
Yeah, since the announcement of Discovery, I've come to really dislike the fanbase. Few likable characters in a sea of uptight, arrogant, entitled jerks.(Edit: I changed a-holes to jerks, I'm trying to work on my potty mouth.)
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quote:Originally posted by Lee: Are there any real-life examples of having twinned prototypes? Becauase the only thing I can think of is, er, the Victory and Excalibur from B5: Crusade...
Offhand, the only ones that come immediately to mind are Novgorod & Vitse-Admiral Popov, Russian ironclad monitors of the mid-1870s which tested out the ridiculous concept of a circular hull.
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quote:Originally posted by shikaru808:
quote:Originally posted by Brown_supahero:
quote:Originally posted by Amasov Prime: Here's a pdf for you. Not formatted or edited or anything, just something I typed down to get some structure into things regarding the battle of the bynary stars. Working on... something else, but I might as well include DSC. Tell me if I missed something. Analysis of BOBS (pdf)
Someone, give this member a job at ex-astris.
Or at least a job at Trekyards haha. But only if he likes making hour long analysis videos on 4 seconds of footage.
As for Trekyards, no thanks. While I like the concept of what they try t achieve (and they certainly bring a lot of momentum to the whole Trek ships fan community, giving them some kind of central hub), I prefer the elitist harcore realm that is flare. I mean, how often has this message board uncovered some real stuff as opposed to, well, trekyards sharing their opinion or stating the obvious? I do like their interviews with Sternbach, Drexler et al, and I admire the effort, but they really haven't left a mark yet when it comes to content. It's like investigative journalism vs. tabolid newspapers. That being said, I was hoping for some more revelations over the last days, but it seems we have to wait for eaglemoss to drop some bombshells in January with their Discovery models and magazines.I'll upload an updated version shortly.
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I mean, how often has this message board uncovered some real stuff as opposed to, well, trekyards sharing their opinion or stating the obvious? I do like their interviews with Sternbach, Drexler et al, and I admire the effort, but they really haven't left a mark yet when it comes to content. It's like investigative journalism vs. tabolid newspapers. 
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