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Can both of them not have survived? Starfleet had 40 ships engage the Borg at 359. Since we saw a Kilngon BoP get blown up in a "Unity" flashback by a Borg cube, and at that time, the only encounter with a cube was 359. Thus, there was at least one Klingon ship present and destroyed at 359. That gives us a minimum total of 41 ships. Since 39 were destroyed, at least two had to have survived. Why not those two?
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What episode shows a Bop being blown away by a cube? Voyager ep "unity" where the borg "planet collective" was formed? That episode showed the attack on DS9 in "Way of the Warrior," BTW had happened after Voyager left to the badlands.
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Actually the account of the Borg by Captain Amasov were first hand accounts of his engagement with the Borg. We know he was at worf 359 since the report was written before voyager was lost in the delta quadrant in 2371. It could not have been in 2373 when the endeavor engaged the borg.
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It could have been anytime between Wolf 359 and 2371, though. The E-D met the Borg twice in that time, in "I, Borg" and "Descent". And the Excalibur met them in about 2368, according to "Survival Instinct".
And more than one ship could have survived the battle at Wolf 359. Roughly 40 ships were summoned initially, and at least 40 arrived since 39 were lost and at least one must have survived to pick up the lifepods. But there's nothing to say that 42 or even 50 ships couldn't have arrived eventually, so that there could be dozens of survivors or semi-survivors. 40 is just the minimum figure.
If a big and mighty Nebula like the Endeavour decided to retreat before destruction, then many lesser ships probably also saw the wisdom of such a maneuver...
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There is no way that anyship would have tried to escape since they were there to save the billions of lives on Earth from being assimilated. They wouldn't leave to save their relatively few asses and let billions die...
Secondly - the Awhanahee from Redemption could have been a previously decommisioned ship that was recommisioned for the sole purpose of the blockade...
Allowing for a lower registry than the one damaged/destroyed at Wolf 359
There were only Fed ships at Wolf 359 they often reuse stock footage... see Shades of Grey! there was even a scene from The Search for Spock in Riker's dreams.
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Strangly enough, an Endeavor was mentioned in the radio-chatter in 'First Contact'. You can clearly hear: "Defiant and Endeavor, pull back to ..."
But Janeway could never have known about that, since they left the Alpha Quadrant about 2 years before 'First Contact'.
Could this be the same Endeavor?? Appearantly Asamov survived, or else he could not have made a report about his contact with the Borg. He would have had previous experience with fighting the Borg. But then again, so has Picard...
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I have to agree with Altair and although the evidence is conjectual. It all points to the Starship Endeavor surviving the battle against the Borg.
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We know that at least one ship retreated, since someone had to pick up Sisko's lifeboat. The Admiral DID give orders to fall back just before his ship was destroyed, so it's at least possible that some decided to follow that, even though he was dead. Where they went, and why they were never mentioned, I have no idea.
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The lifeboat could have been retrieved by another ship that came by afterward, but wasn't at the battle. Some sort of unarmed or lightly armed transport, or something.
As for the Endeavour... Even if it was at W359, it could still have been destroyed. As mentioned, Amasov could have escaped on a lifeboat. Sisko survived, too, but that doesn't mean that the Saratoga wasn't destroyed...
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Some facts- USS Endeavor is in the episode "Redemption, Part 2" The opening narration of "Emissary" says that Capt Picard was a Borg captive for six days. The information that the USS Endeavor fought in Wolf 359 is provided by the third encyclopedia. This is speculation by Mr. Okuda. Also note, the USS Ahwahnee NCC-71620 was reported as destroyed by the second encyclopedia at Wolf 359 yet there is a diagram from "Redemption, Part 2" showing the ship being in the blockade. I have seen this diagram in the show. My point is, the information in the encyclopedias is not accurate unless (I underlined this word) verified by a show or film. The USS Ahwahnee is confirmed as being in operation in 2368 and the USS Endeavor is confirmed as having had contact with the Borg before 2371. The circumstances of the encounter were never disclosed.
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I think we probably would have heard about the Klingons having to deal with the Borg. Besides, they seem to be more interested in us than the Klingons.
I believe that the E-D was the first ship to reach the scene of the battle after the massacre, and she didn't detect any lifesigns. If someone else had gotten there first, they surely would have told the E what happened. Maybe someone tractored all the escape pods out of range, then went back and got blown up.
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And one other thing...why would the borg blow up escape pods? With all those potential drones just floating trough space it would be a terrible waste...
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