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I messed with the pic in Photoshop and it is definately disconected from the wall. The shadow it's casting on the wall doesn't connect to the top of the whateveritis. I would agree with Black Knight that it's some sort of station cargo transport. I see a ribbed undercarriage and a basically flat top portion. There does appear to be something like a control room or bridge towards the upper left of the object and a row of windows underneath. I think there's some writing on the right hand side along the "beam" or nacelle.
I don't think this is a starship (I also HOPE it's not).
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I would assume a cargo vessel of some kind - and low warp - or even interplanetary impulse.
Reminds me of those grain ships from TAS.
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Anotherr obscure ship - well sort of - was the Engineering display for The Pegasus - where it was probably of the Ambassador era design that Sternbach and co. were going to build until they ran out of time/money...
It has four nacelles aparently... so maybe a constellationasized Ambassador?
Andrew
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Well, I see the nacelles. And I think I see what you think is a saucer. It would be interesting to find out what this actually is. Anyone know how to talk to the people who did this scene?
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AndrewR: The Pegasus was supposed to be a Cheyenne. But, they didn't have enough time/money to make a detailed enough model for the episode, so they just used an Oberth.
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...Which sounds funny because the Crazy Horse was also supposed to be a Cheyenne, in the first Encyclopedia that was printed slightly before "The Pegasus" was written. Yet, TPTB chose to use a ship of that name in the episode and portray her as an Excelsior.
There could be a convoluted logic into all this. Perhaps the model people wanted to show off their four-nacelle concept and asked the tech people to write that into the script, in the parts where the original writers had left these blanks. The tech writers did as asked, and chose the Crazy Horse as the name for the admiral's ferry. Then the model people were told they wouldn't get the money and time to build a presentable Cheyenne anyway, since the Pegasus needed to be a customized ship. So they decided to do her as a four-naceller instead, and asked Okuda to do the relevant okudagrams. And then the money and time for *that* project disapperared, too.
Didn't Nemecek say that it was Sternbach who was tasked with originally designing the Pegasus? Perhaps after the makers of the Cheyenne model (Jein?) were denied the funds for detailing of that model, Rick derived inspiration from their attempt in creating the Pegasus.
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It would have been great to see at least a Cheyenne Class, even two. I'm wondering why wouldn't the Cheyenne Class that was built for Wolf 359 not used. It looked good, unless when the meant decent they meant lit up like a Christmas tree.
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I think it was mostly a lighting issue, although the original model may also have had too few mounting points or been too wobbly or something. Or perhaps motion-control photography required a bigger model than one created out of E-D plastic kit parts? The surface detail was certainly sufficient for most shots, even if not quite as detailed as in the big "hero ships".
A few Cheyennes would have been nice in the DS9 fleet action scenes. They'd have been easy to recognize at a distance...
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I started this topic before I found a reference to these pics of what I consider to be the Saladin- and Ptolemy-class starships: http://w1.314.telia.com/~u31412332/new/mod.htm Therefore I�m posting them now. They can be seen on a bridgeconsole during the Kobayashi Maru-simulation. I took these screencaps myself and as you can see, they are not very good. My screencap-hardware is rather old. So if anyone has any better pics, please get in touch:-)
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I know a lot of you don't think that they should be 'official' - I too have hated the one nacelle ship - but seeing as we have seemed to have accepted the Freedom - why not the TOS versions? You could always have two rows of warp coils with in the one nacelle!?!
I wouldn't mind seeing a vid cap of the ship from Data's scan of the files in Picard's Ready Room - on his display device... you have to slow mow through the rapidly moving images - its almost klingon in design - If I remember correctly - oh - BTW it was from "Conspiracy" - also - have a good look - there might be some other interesting info tidbits on other 'screens' that Data looks at.
Andrew
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Ships on screens (padd�s?) from "Conspiracy", that�s interesting. Have you seen anymore unusual screenshots?
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The data dumps in "Conspiracy" and "The Last Outpost" and also in "The Naked Now" seem to show a refitted Constitution, a Klingon K't'inga battlecruiser, an Orion Wanderer from the SFB RPG, two different system maps, a partial cutout of a starbase, an an unidentifiable slightly Klingon-looking ship or station design, in addition to rows after rows of gibberish - and one picture of a big parrot with Gene Roddenberry's head!
It would be nice to know where all that material came from - it must be some sort of fan publication material like the Saladin/Hermes and Ptolemy pictures in STII were.
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Thanks Timo, anything else you might remember? I just love those obscure ships we only see on monitors and way, way in the background. BTW, I think the Freedom-class and it�s TOS predecessors Saladin- and Hermes-class starships are really cool.
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Thanks Frank, that is a cool ship. Excuse a stupid question, but since that ship was shown on the show, and therefore official, what then is FASA? BTW, is it OK if I use that pic on my page with a reference to you?
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