Timo: While I'd love to fix the Excelsior/Nebula problem on the Melbie, how do you explain Shelby's comment that it ws there? Should we assume it was offscreen to us, but she could just barely see it from her angle?
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Timo - Both models of the Nebula are about 90% the same, the only real difference is the position of the "mini"-warpnacelles. I made a little kitbash with a ERTL 1/1400 E-D to test the arrangement of the reconstruction. From the same angle it looks like Miarecki's model.
BTW: You're right the Niagara screencap is a top view (was just a little typo).
If the big question is "Where did Shelby see the Excelsior class USS Melbourne in BoBW when there was no Excelsior in the entire episode?", then I think there can be four answers:
1) She sees her just off screen from us, or peeking from behind a doreground ship, thanks to the 3D nature of the main screen (as you suggest, and I think this is the best answer). Shelby should have a better view than we do on the upper edge of the screen, and possibly also beyond the big saucer wreckage on the left foreground.
2) She sees the remains of the unidentifiable saucer on the foreground (never mind that they were Constitution in origin - in their current state, they could just as well be coming from an Excelsior, or from Battlestar Galactica!), and somehow realizes this was the Melbourne.
3) One of the ships in the distance is in fact an Excelsior, and Shelby has better eyesight than we do.
4) Shelby makes a mistake, and identifies a ship not of Excelsior class as the Melbourne.
In any case, now that we know how impossible it is to prove that the Nebula study model was the original Melbourne (because that model is so badly wrecked), every effort should be made to support the Excelsior alternative.
I was wondering, didn´t Okuda say that he saved the pics of the models from Wolf 359 for a possible future book? Can´t we do something about this book? Like e-mailing the publisher or something. I would love to see such a book.
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Well after wondering through your message board and site's this what I think the the ships look like.
Rigel-At the slide shows Mike said that the Rigel looked like a Galaxy class saucer with 3 warp nacelles and a Enterprise Refit secondary hull.I think that in his lateist interview he forgot about this because he did say that "I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm not remembering correctly. I don't have my notes here at the moment".However I hope he right about it not being on screen because that design would create some timeline problems.
Challenger-At the shows I think Mike was talking about the ship from ST6 not from BoBW2 and the ship in BoBW2 was in fact a modifided Galaxy with vertical warp nacelles.
Freedom-Same as one in FF
Apollo-Same as T-pau
Niagra-Same as one in FF
Springfield-Galaxy class saucer section with nacelles below hull
Cheyenne-No lower hull
Melbourne-same design as one in ready room
New Orleans-Nothing to add
Saucer warp engine ship from Embasary-Constellation saucer and 2 small warp nacelles.
Firstly I want to introduce myself. My name is Patrick Kovacs, I'm 18 years old and from Austria. At the moment I'm student on a commercial academy. I'm interrested in Star Trek especially in Star Fleet-Ships. To this theme I have many questions, and I hope to get some answers here. As English isn't my mother tongue, I will make some mistakes (please tolerate this).
Where can I get the TNG Companion ship list?
What's the name and registry of this 4-nacelled Nebula-model?
Last year I was on the Star Trek World Tour in Vienna. There I saw a plaque, which gives some ships of the battle:
U.S.S. Roosevelt U.S.S. Klondike U.S.S. Esteban U.S.S. Watley U.S.S. Volga U.S.S. Tokyo U.S.S. Everest U.S.S. Maxwell U.S.S. Gauss U.S.S. Neptune U.S.S. Vega U.S.S. Pioneer U.S.S. Nepal U.S.S. Popovich U.S.S. Falcon U.S.S. Gemini U.S.S. Vandenberg U.S.S. Pueblo U.S.S. Zetar U.S.S. Peking U.S.S. Beagle U.S.S. Brahms U.S.S. Rixx U.S.S. Solaris U.S.S. Khumbu U.S.S. Shimoda U.S.S. Marco Polo
Unfortunately no registry or class was given. Has anybody further information?
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[This message has been edited by Fitz (edited March 17, 2000).]