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well after pulling out my copy of The Art Of Star Trek(pages 212/213) to get a good look at the "ship" I have come to think that this object is floting near the wall and not part of it. But I can not see anything that looks like what I would expect a warp nacel of that time to look like (mainly in name of the size of the nacel). So may be wat we are looking at is a cargo container that was moved from star A to star B by a tug of some kind then droped here? Some what like the tug designs in done by Jackills or FRank Joseph?
and by the way that circle was green on my screen too.
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I think it is a background ship model. My reasoning is very simple: There's also another background ship model in the shot (although you can't see it in that pic), the Phase II Enterprise study model. If the VFX crew bothered to stick the PII model in there, then why not this cargo ship?
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As I have said before, (and I hope I don't inspire too much hatred here) THOSE OF YOU WHO PERSIST IN SAYING YOU CANNOT SEE THE SHIP ARE VERY SAD INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ALSO AS BLIND AS TIBERIAN BATS!
It's so obvious it's painful.
True, in the actual video, it is not as clear, because the lighting is darker. This is a publicity still, so you can see it a lot better. But the ship is there in the actual film.
Also, those of you who don't see the nacelles (2, similar to Constitution-refit type) are not looking hard enough. Here they are, highlighted:
The overall shape of the ship is a trapezoidal prism. I think someone should be able to draw or render it from this pic.
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Listen here, Orlinger. Just because you believe something is true, doesn't mean it's a universal fact. You may think that this is a ship. Others may not. It is your opinion that it is a ship. Therefore, it is not an indisputable fact.
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I still think that it could either way. It could be a ship; it could be a part of the Spacedock structure. The picture is fuzzy and the object in question has just enough features on it to be a ship, but at the same time the features that give it the appearance of a ship are small and out-of-focus enough for them to be just about anything. For instance, what we see as nacelles could be communications antennae and the bridge dome could really be a traffic control sensor dome.
My personal opinion is to lean towards it being a ship. However, I don't think it's a cargo ship or other interstellar ship. Those nacelles are too small to be able to propel that ship at anything faster than maybe warp one or two. To be honest, I think those are just impulse pods. So what do I think it is? I think it's a waste barge. I think it's part of a fleet of waste barges that picks up trash and other waste products from the Sol System bases, orbital complexes, drydocks, and construction yards and transports them to a general recycling center on (maybe) one of Mars' moons or something.
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Until I read something from an ILM FVX technician who created the shot, it is not an indisputable fact -- as evidenced by the indisputable fact that we're still disputing it.
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I see it has a low dome at the closest end - and indeed is casting a shadow on the wall.
It could be a ship. The reason for it sharing the same color as the spacedock walls could be that the walls and freighter (if it is such) were originally white - and later filtered blue prior to Exdelsior and Enterprise being added.
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I apologize if I have offended you, or anyone, Mr. Christopher/Fabrux. I will be more courteous in the future.
However, those who still say it is NOT a ship are by this point (with all the highlights/enlargements/rendrings that have been done) stretching belief a little bit more than those who can see that it is. IMHO, of course.
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Actually, no. The only thing that suggests it's a ship is the fact that it has things that resemble warp nacelles.
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