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Hi all, just curious if anyone knows anything about the Apollo class. Since it's mentioned in the Encyclopedia that one ship was lost at Wolf 359 (USS Gage, NCC-11672) some kind of model MUST have existed in one form or another. Based on it's registry, it definately has no Galaxy-era components, so it probably wasn't built by the BoBW2 modelmakers. The only possibilities in BoBW2 would be one of the old Excelsior study models seen far in the background (but it has been mentioned that these weren't named) OR the wrecked Constitution-type saucer seen up-close at the very beginning of the scene that is drifting to the left. Or, if it didn't appear until the first ep of DS9, then it is probably the Excelsior-variant (?) that is in the upper right of the screen when the Saratoga explodes. To me, either an Excelsior or Constitution variant would support the 11672 registry, but I'm no expert - anybody have any ideas?
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The Gage was mentioned after DS9: "Emissary". I have thought for some time it might be the floating saucer seen just when the Saratoga explodes (See Wolf 359 thread, entry 141). This is the only unnamed ship in the episode. However, when the Ency II came out, suddenly the T'Pau was an Apollo-class ship, but this was obviously an error. Maybe there is no Apollo design at all.
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Hasn't the T'Pau been an Apollo all along? I believe the debate is over whether or not the T'Pau was among the ships seen at the end of "Unification II".
As for the Gage... There wasn't necessarily a model. The registry may have been on an Okudagram somewhere. I don't think they would have invented a regsitry for the encyclopedia, but, then, this isn't a certainty.
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Does the O-gram in "Unification I" explicitly say that the T'Pau is an Apollo?
And was the mystery saucer in the actual explosion scene? Because that's what that paragraph seems to refer to, exclusively, since it doesn't mention the Yamaguchi, Bonestell, etc.
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Well, anything in the Encyclopedia could be erroneous, but we shouldn't assume everything is.
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Perhaps we should recap the arguments on the T'Pau/Apollo issue?
T'Pau is not an Apollo:
-The Romulans wanted to steal T'Pau's components to create an ersatz Vulcan ship. A ship of a generic starship class in Starfleet service (with names like Agamemnon and Ajax) would not be sufficiently identifiable as Vulcan. -Apollos have been drafted to fight the Borg, in "Descent". A Vulcan freighter simply would not cut it. -Encyclopedia makes mistakes, yadda yadda.
T'Pau may be an Apollo despite the above:
-Perhaps T'Pau was a special Apollo, the only one with a Vulcan-built navigational deflector or other such identifiably Vulcan components? -Perhaps the Romulans had some other motivation in stealing the ship bit by bit. They may simply have been hunting for old Vulcan codes and passwords still stored in the computers of that ship, and didn't know exactly where to look. -All of Encyclopedia shouldn't be damned for the known mistakes, yadda yadda.
T'Pau must be, if not an Apollo, then at least of the same class as the Vulcan freighters we saw:
-There is a ship looking like one of those Vulcan freighters at Qualor II. Even though we know the T'Pau was NOT at Qualor any more, the presence of one such ship makes likely the presence of several. -Would the parts stolen from the T'Pau fit any other ship class?
In any case, the episodes do not unambiguously support the Encyclopedia theory that one of the ships at the end was the T'Pau. It's one of the many possibilities. And all references to an Apollo class are noncanon so far.
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I really don't see anything that excludes the T'Pau from being an Apollo...the Vulcan ships could have been broadcasting identification, there was even an Oberth at Wolf 359, etc.
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It's been suggested, but only on the basis that an Oberth couldn't do much to a Borg cube. The fact remains that there was an Oberth at W359. A Vulcan transport could easily have been there under similar circumstances.
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And I think the Bonestall was there because Starfleet needed a fleet there and all they could muster up were those 40 ships with the Bonestall included. It may not do much damage, but it's better to have it there and do a little damage than not be there to do it's share of damage. See what I mean?
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- anybody have any ideas?
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